Just An Observation

JonPop · 05-24-2004, 08:35 PM

To all you PE'rs.

This is just my opinion, my own observation and a determination.

I have always been an advocate of doing PE 5 days, with 2 days off for growth and healing. Whenever asked I always state this. This has been my advice in my Beginners Routine and I have followed this myself during the many months I have been doing Penis Exercises. I still recommend this cycle, especially for those new to PE.

I am now changing my thinking on this, at least where MY routine is concerned.

I'm sure that I'm not the only one that this happens to. So I'll try and get to the point.

I have noticed for quite awhile now, that when doing my PE in the mornings, one day, maybe two, three days in a row, I'll have a great PE session. Everything working, great workout, penis responded to what you were doing, you know the feeling. Then, the next day, nothing. The routine doesn't go well, so you give up, chalking it up to being too tired, not in the mood, mind is somewhere else, etc. And yet, wanting to stay in my routine, I'll keep trying untill I finally quit in frustration.

I have been charting this for the past few months and paying attention to these "Down Days" as I call them. Some days I only get 1 good workout before having a Down Day, sometimes I can get 3,5 days in a row. But I have found a cycle here. I now, realize that my body is telling me that these are the "Growth Days." I use these Down Days as my rest days now and have found that this is the cycle that works for me. All my workouts have been more productive and don't want to post yet, but the gains after being stalled for the past couple of months, are incredible...But waiting to cement these before saying.

You Ask? What happens if you don't have a Down Day for say...4,5,6 days in a row?

I do my exercises untill I have a Down Day. As long as the session is what I consider productive. I know I will have a Down Day, maybe 2 in a row, so this is now my determination. All I can say is "Listen to your body" Feed Back?

JonPop

chongo · 05-24-2004, 09:41 PM

Hey JP,
Thanks for posting on this. I've been thinking about this also. I am wondering what you would refer to as a "down day" ??

Would you consider it as a day when you're just not really in the mood to PE? I've had a few days so far when my tool doesn't seem to be responding to the exercises and I have a hard time even keeping semi wood to do the exercises. That is where I'm not sure I'm even doing anything positive to my pecker. I mean, if you're not feeling it nor getting anything out of it on CERTAIN days within the program, should you use that as a growing day?

I had always thought of the 5 on 2 off as a hard and fast rule for beginners, however seems to me that you might be onto something. I do see that you aren't going to give your firm opinion until you cement your gains before you make your final judgement call. Some weeks so far I get to the 4th day and I'm petered out (no pun intended) ;) and I don't even feel like my penis even wants to have a workout, yet I have been plugging along anyhow. Maybe it's different for newbies and I should just stick to it since I am not months or years into it.

Chongo

JonPop · 05-24-2004, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chongo
Hey JP,
Thanks for posting on this. I've been thinking about this also. I am wondering what you would refer to as a "down day" ??

Would you consider it as a day when you're just not really in the mood to PE? I've had a few days so far when my tool doesn't seem to be responding to the exercises and I have a hard time even keeping semi wood to do the exercises. That is where I'm not sure I'm even doing anything positive to my pecker. I mean, if you're not feeling it nor getting anything out of it on CERTAIN days within the program, should you use that as a growing day?

You have explained it better than I did, chongo. That is what I am saying. I can tell at the beginning of my session, right from the stretching. if it's going to be productive or a Down Day. If its a down day, I stop all PE for the day.

I had always thought of the 5 on 2 off as a hard and fast rule for beginners, however seems to me that you might be onto something. I do see that you aren't going to give your firm opinion until you cement your gains before you make your final judgement call. Some weeks so far I get to the 4th day and I'm petered out (no pun intended) ;) and I don't even feel like my penis even wants to have a workout, yet I have been plugging along anyhow. Maybe it's different for newbies and I should just stick to it since I am not months or years into it.

As you have read, I have modified my thinking on this and yet, the 5 day on 2 day off routine was what brung ME to the dance. I think that this observation of mine will give PE'rs a new tool to use in setting up their own routines. Everyone is different, it's your body listen to it. If anyone feels that a written rule has to be followed exactly when the body is saying otherwise, should use their own best judjment. JonPop

Chongo

Playtimer · 05-25-2004, 03:21 PM

This observation is very true. I was thinking myself the same thing for some time,and now JonPop brought it up,so it's more of us who share the same thougths.
Yes,it's definitelly "good day - down day" thing. I think that body is sending signals that it's been too much,and it's time to rest this way.

Personally,I do something like JonPop when I feel that my workout is not going to work. I plan to do 250 jelqs for example,but after only 50,I get bad response,so I stop there. I take one day of rest,prepare myself good,and when I start next set of exercises,it's like I'm new again.
The whole thing is working great,and what is most important,I'm really satisfied after. This is the kind of workout I KNOW will do me good.

Play

Methodman · 05-25-2004, 05:28 PM

Very interesting JonPop. Being a weightlifter I've always been taught to get through the workout even on worst "Down day". Just to tough it out you know. I approached PE the exact same way...
Keep us posted, this might also change the way I excercise.

JonPop · 05-27-2004, 06:58 PM

Been 3 days since I posted here.

Yep, had two Down Days in a row after only two good days of PE. Had a great PE session this morning. So I feel that this is the cycle I should stay with. I know that my 5 day on 2 day off routine was what I needed at the time, when I was just starting PE and learning how to do the exercises. But like chongo, I was having to force myself to exercise on "Down Days". (Did not realize I was having Down Days) I think this might be the reason people have periods of no growth. Is it simply because you are overworking your penis?
Or, is this just because of doing PE for so long? Didn't notice this for many months as a Newbie but now the light has come on. And as Methodman said, this might even translate over into body workouts as well. Come on guys, know everyone has an opinion about this, let's get this thing talked out. How about some of you vetran PE'rs chimeing in here with your own observations. JonPop

JonPop · 06-02-2004, 04:15 PM

9 days since I posted my Observations.

I am happy to post my new stats.

BPEL. 7 3/8" Cemented.

EG. 5 3/4" Mid Shaft.

EG@Base.6 1/2"

Flacid hang stays at 5"-6"

And flacid girth is sooo thick now :)

Listen to your body. JonPop

Mighty Mouse · 06-02-2004, 09:43 PM

Nice JP!

You are an inspiration to us here at Betterman. Your ideas and observations have and will continue to help many a man. Keep up the good work my man!

Mighty

JonPop · 06-02-2004, 10:23 PM

Thanks Mr. Mouse. And it's friends like you that make it worth staying.

JonPop

chongo · 06-03-2004, 02:12 AM

JP!!
That's awesome news! I'm happy for you! I'm going to keep on your routine the way you've outlined it for me though since it seems to be working out for me.

Again, good news and keep up the good work!

Chongo

Playtimer · 06-03-2004, 04:20 PM

Yes,I want to congratulate to JonPop too:) This is one more proof that listening to the signals Your body is sending is very important.

way to go,JonPop! :D keep on,

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JonPop · 06-16-2004, 02:32 PM

Another 2 weeks have gone by.

I seem to have settled into a 2 day on 1 day off routine now.
Still cemented at 7 3/8" but am hitting 7 1/2" on most days.
The flacid girth is really remarkable, I attribute this to the new JELQ and the "Dura Rollers" that Rob came up with, plus my manual routine and the PeniMaster.
I started with a measurement of 4 3/4" EBPL, 3" flacid hang, a little over 15 months ago. So if any of you Newbies need encouragement on staying with my routine, here it is. I started PE at the age of 60. So all you young guys have nowhere to go but up.

EBPL 7 3/8" to 7 1/2"
EG 6 3/4" Base 5 7/8" mid shaft.
Flacid length still hanging around 5"-5 1/2" (I love this. Had been a year since last physical and my Dr.'s eyes kind of got wide when she saw this.)
Flacid girth is 5" base and around 4 1/2" rest of shaft.
But really impressive is Glans. Measured around glans fully erected is, 6". (changed this measurment from 7". Had mis- measured, sorry) 7/3/04... JP

My goals when I started were the infamous 8" X 6".
I am almost there.

Listen to your body. JonPop

sikdogg · 06-16-2004, 10:51 PM

Hey Jon, i'm glad you're making good gains... But i'm just the opposite. I don't believe in rest days and do some form of PE everyday. This doesn't mean that i do a full blown workout everyday (i usually do a light workout on weekends), but i feel it's important to just do it. For me, skipping a day makes it so easy to skip another and another and before i realize it, i've skipped a whole week. I used to do a 5 on 2 off routine and got decent results, but since doing a 7 day routine i feel that my gains are starting to come in faster (especially in girth). I will be doing an official measuring later this month and should have added another .250" to my length. On days that i have prob with getting/staying hard, i just do stretches and skip any girth type of work or maybe do some light pumping.

Mighty Mouse · 06-17-2004, 03:25 AM

JP,

Continued Congrats my man! To get those gains in 15 months is definitalely a remarkable task! We need to institute a PE "Hall of Fame" and put you in as an example and inspiration for us all.

Keep it up, and keep us updated!

Mighty

JonPop · 06-22-2004, 08:53 PM

Had a "Down Day" this morning. I felt really good, was looking forward to my PE routine and the Dick just wasn't willing. This is sooo strange that this happens. But, I know what this means now and I just stay away from any form of PE for the day. Believe me. "Listen to your body".

JonPop

JonPop · 07-01-2004, 06:43 PM

Another 9 days has passed. Still on my 2 day on, 1 day off routine.
No measureable gains to report, but have not lost anything either.
I have not had any "Down Days" on this schedual. So this is what I will use untill I feel it isn't working. I know that last 1/2" to 5/8" is going to be the tough part. I may have to mix up my routine again to see any improvement. But that's for later. For now, I'll stay with what's giving me a great PE workout.

JonPop

Playtimer · 07-01-2004, 08:39 PM

JP,You are right. The last part is the hardest. But,You may try the old trick : Changing the routine after some time to "suprise" the old tool. This can break the plateau You might reach;)

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equs · 07-03-2004, 08:06 AM

JonPop,

From mistakes I made in bodybuilding, I think you are 100% right. Rest is critical. I've barely been doing this a week, but I'm going with 2 days on, 1 day off.

As for listening to your body, I tried the newbie routine you outlined, and I couldn't get the V-jelqs right, so I started using the PJ (no hand jelqs at all), three sets of 50, hoding it 3 seconds at the end, like the online manual says, because a bigger head is one of my goals. When I'm through, I can really see a difference in my dick.

Is this jelq and hold too intense for a beginner, and what is your opinion about using only the PJ? (I still do the warm-ups and stretches according to your routine). Would appreciate your advice, since you ARE the Penimaster.

equs

JonPop · 07-03-2004, 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by equs
JonPop,

From mistakes I made in bodybuilding, I think you are 100% right. Rest is critical. I've barely been doing this a week, but I'm going with 2 days on, 1 day off.

equis, if this is what you feel comfortable with, go for it. But if you have just started my routine, you need to condition your dick with a 5 on, 2 day off routine, for at least the first 5 weeks.

As for listening to your body, I tried the newbie routine you outlined, and I couldn't get the V-jelqs right, so I started using the PJ (no hand jelqs at all), three sets of 50, hoding it 3 seconds at the end, like the online manual says, because a bigger head is one of my goals. When I'm through, I can really see a difference in my dick.

What problems are you having with the "V" Jelqs? Maybe I can help. These work the sides of the Penis and are a great exercise for girth.

Is this jelq and hold too intense for a beginner, and what is your opinion about using only the PJ? (I still do the warm-ups and stretches according to your routine). Would appreciate your advice, since you ARE the Penimaster.

My advice for beginners has always been...Do my routine for a full 5 weeks before incorperating any device. The hand Jelqs work the entire circumference of the Penis, so are an important part of the routine. Since you are already useing the JELQE, go slow. JonPop

equs [/b]

equs · 07-04-2004, 02:29 AM

JonPop,

I think I don't have enough gripping strength between my third and fourth fingers to maintain sufficient pressure throughout the exercise. Because of this-- and maybe fatigue from the wet jelqs-- I don't stay as semi-erect as I need to be, and it's harder to get a rhythm going of good, consistent reps..

You do these V-jelqs with your hands to the side of your penis, right? Doing them with your hands underneath seems kind of impossible.

Also, I'm assuming the position of your hands relative to each other, when to release, etc., is the same as for the wet jelqs, and the grip is all that's different, right?

By the way, your progress is amazing and motivating, so I'll stick to your routine as much as possible re:days on/days off, and wait until August to add the contraptions.

Thanks for your help!

equs

JonPop · 07-04-2004, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by equs
JonPop,

I think I don't have enough gripping strength between my third and fourth fingers to maintain sufficient pressure throughout the exercise. Because of this-- and maybe fatigue from the wet jelqs-- I don't stay as semi-erect as I need to be, and it's harder to get a rhythm going of good, consistent reps..

equis, "V" Jelqs are a stretching exercise. The only pressure you need, to do these, is enough grip to stretch upwardly. The narrowness between the 3rd. and 4th. fingers will give you all the pressure you need at the side of the shaft, for a girth workout.

ONE MORE TIME for this;

Look at your hand, cup your hand slightly, spread 3rd. and 4th. fingers, insert Penis in "V". Slide up the shaft, pulling upwardly, untill you reach the Glans, hold the stretch a second and then release and start other hand. Pull straight up. Pull up and to the right. Pull up and to the Left. This is one Rep X 3 "V" Jelqs. Use lots of lube for this, you want your hands (fingers) to slide smoothly.

You do these V-jelqs with your hands to the side of your penis, right? Doing them with your hands underneath seems kind of impossible.

Also, I'm assuming the position of your hands relative to each other, when to release, etc., is the same as for the wet jelqs, and the grip is all that's different, right? Nope, see above. JP

By the way, your progress is amazing and motivating, so I'll stick to your routine as much as possible re:days on/days off, and wait until August to add the contraptions.

Thanks for your help!

equs

equs · 07-04-2004, 07:53 PM

Hi JonPop

OK, now that I know it's a stretch, I get it... except for one last question: since it's a stretch, I'm thinking I should be flacid while I'm doing these... or should I be partially hard?

Thanks again,

equs

JonPop · 07-04-2004, 08:11 PM

30-50% is about right for these. JP

JonPop · 07-14-2004, 03:45 PM

Another 2 weeks. Still no "Down Days" since doing my 2 day on 1 day off routine. Still doing wet jelqs, "V" jelqs, useing the JELQ about 200 quality reps. BUT, really into the PeniMaster. Wearing it 90 min. in the morning, 1 hr. in the afternoon/evening. Since I discovered the "Wash Cloth" trick, it is very comfortable now. Haven't measured in awhile. I am going to wait untill my birthday and see if I have given myself the present I've been wanting:D

JonPop

chongo · 07-15-2004, 05:06 PM

JP,
Do you recommend trying 2 on 1 off for someone like me? Or should a newbie still stick with your routine? I'm gaining interest in this PM thing you guys talk about. Wonder if I'd benefit from that.
Chongo

JonPop · 07-16-2004, 01:56 AM

Hey chongo....Go for it. Let me know how this routine feels for you.

The Penimaster is kind of pricey and takes a total commitment to the device to acheive the results, but if you are willing to pay the price and invest the time, Yeh I give this thing an "A".

JonPop

JonPop · 08-11-2004, 02:35 PM

August 11th, 2004, MY Birthday.
I'm writing this from the old folks home now.
They automaticaly come and take you there when you reach the magic age of 62. (Better start packing now Bulge, Hahaha)
But, you know what? Getting old is an adventure, EVERYBODY should try it.
Being a Vietnam Vet, I saw a lot of 18-19 year old kids (Yes they were just kids) who will never get to experiance the adventures of living a full and long life.
GOD BLESS everyone of them and the young men and women who will pay and ARE, paying, the ultimate price for the freedoms we have in this country.
Just my 2 cents.

Well it's been almost a month since I measured, wanted to wait untill today, so....

BPEL--- 7 5/8"

EG...Base---6 3/4"

EG...Mid Shaft---5 7/8"

I'm almost there.

Now, pardon me, the nurse just came in and told me it's time to do my Wet Jelqs. JonPop

Mighty Mouse · 08-11-2004, 10:49 PM

Happy birthday JonPop!

Hope you have many more to enjoy!

Mighty

JonPop · 08-11-2004, 11:27 PM

Thanks Mr. Mouse. Like I said before, it's friends like you that make it worth staying around. JP

Playtimer · 08-13-2004, 02:12 PM

Ooooh,we're gonna welcome our new "Hall Of Fame" member soon! :)))

Way to go,JP,and happy birthday from me too!

Play

JonPop · 08-25-2004, 04:49 PM

O.K. Another 2 weeks have passed. No new gains, but no losses either.
Just keepin' on keepin' on. JonPop

chongo · 08-26-2004, 04:51 PM

JP,
Sorry man! I didn't realize I missed your birthday! I haven't been on much lately as I've been busy. I took on some hours at a restaurant to make more money. 3 jobs...man am I a busy guy lately!
That is some mean ass base girth you have there! WOW! I hope I can get to your level!
Happy belated ya old fart! :) Hope you had a good one!

Chongo

Banana Tool · 09-06-2004, 02:58 AM

It's just like weightlifting, some days your head is in it and you have an awesome workout, you set some new maxes and feel really great about the workout, then the next workout will just plain suck and you get discouraged. You have to listen to your body, try new things, and keep it changing.

JonPop · 09-11-2004, 11:13 PM

Well, over 2 weeks. I am solidly cemented at:

EBPL......7 3/4"
EBG.......7 1/4"
EMG......6 1/4"
Glans....6"

I've just been seeing the gains coming...But;

I attribute my girth gains to "Dry Jelqing" the three different sections of my penis. I do these with only one hand.

EDITED NOTE

Many members have written that when trying the 3-part dry jelq exercises they can't feel the "bumps" I'm describing. This is O.K. as long as the exercises are preformed as written. Just jelq the described 3-parts of the shaft and with dedication and repetition these bumps will begin to become obvious.
Along with being able to feel the bumps, the girth gains will follow.

Pull out on your penis...pull all of the skin forward.[30-40% erection is best for these] Grasp as far down at the base as you can with the O.K grip..Really dig in. Pull as much of that "Hidden" penis out of the pubic, as you can. When you form the OK grip at the base you need to turn the back of your hand up, i.e. rotate your wrist, so that the thumb and index finger is against your pelvic bone. This makes it a lot easier to really dig in and get all that 'hidden penis' pulled out. This might feel a little awkward at first.
I have found over time that I get a much better jelq, wet, dry, with my thumb and finger towards my belly. This grip is the only way that the 3PDJ'S can be performed successfuly. You will only be able to jelq out about an inch because you have pulled all the skin forward when you were pulling your penis out. Once you have the O.K. grip at the base, release your other hand. You will feel a Bump there at the base, jelq over it as far as the skin will let you. Don't release the O.K. grip, you'll lose your pull. Hold and slide back to the base. Do about 15-25 of these. Release the O.K. grip and move up the shaft just below midshaft, just ahead of where you were jelqing the lower bump. Pull out with other hand Re-grip with the O.K. grip and then release the stretch.
Jelq this area and bump, 15-25 times. Jelq to the Glans, or as far as the skin will let you. Move up to about 3/4"-1" below the Glans. (Pull all the skin forward and let it bunch up around the glans.) Grip there and Jelq to the Glans. You should feel a small bump in this area. Do these whenever you can and I guarantee your girth will increase. JonPop

I'd like to add a new part to these Dry Jelqs;

After jelqing the lower bump and while still holding the o.k. grip, pull straight up for a count of 15. do the same when at the mid-shaft, before releasing, when you have finished the 15-25 reps, pull straight up again for a count of 15. These are great for stretching the Base Ligs and Tunica. JP

JonPop · 09-11-2004, 11:20 PM

Forgot to mention...Yeh, girth is great for screwing, but I've lost one of my favorite things. Mrs. JP won't give me head anymore. Says it's too thick and the head hurts her mouth. Something for you guys to think about....But, damn it sure looks big. JP