Questions & Critiques

tZcc · 08-18-2004, 07:21 PM

Alrighty then,

Going to ask a few questions and list a few, what I think are, constructive criticisms.

Questions:
- How much money for how long a given supply will last? (cost per month for example)

- When is it coming out?

- Who's going to be the designated guinea pig(s) for this forum?

Criticisms:
- Transdermal delivery isn't entirely new, I used the power enlarge patch a while back and was impressed how effective is was at giving me raging boners. No permanent growth though for the short time I've used it.

- The ingredients seem to match up with other 'miracle' products out there, plus the main description has the usual buzzwords like "scientific" and "doctors".

- The label Male Enhancement is kind of vague. Does that mean permanent growth? Temporary growth? Just another "boner pill"? This seems like another corporate catch-phrase.

- (Kinda a question as well) Has this product undergone any practical testing or QA? Or is it still on the drawing board? Is this only a supplement to PE or is it a magic gel that will do everything by itself?

Sorry if the tone of this post is a little caustic, but not only is this screaming "too good to be true", it's also using this forum as a jump off point. This seems like a wolf's-in-sheep clothing to me.

Don't get me wrong, it would be great if the product is an excellent enhancement to PE exercises. But I'll wait until we get some interactive (i.e. not canned) testimonials, whether good, neutral or bad.

Incubus · 08-18-2004, 10:25 PM

Rob,

My question is what is the dosing of the L-Arginine, and the Yohimbe? I know that you probably can't give out to much info because of the proprietry blend, but I would like to know if possible.

By the way I would like to voluntier if you need subjects to test this on!!

JonPop · 08-18-2004, 10:34 PM

Yeh Rob, it would be nice if you would give your hard working moderators (hint, hint) first shot at this. JonPop

Methodman · 08-19-2004, 03:57 AM

Does the gel encourage growth? Or does it actually cause growth?
Does it help with recovery? I'm still unsure of what it does exactly.
Can you use it alone and get results?

Rob · 08-19-2004, 04:12 AM

tZcc,

Thanks for the questions, don't worry about being harsh, we have always taken an honest approach, and I appreciate your honesty.

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- How much money for how long a given supply will last? (cost per month for example)

Enlargel is packaged in a 2 oz bottle, lasts approximately 30 days. Not sure on the price yet, but it will be under $100 for a 30 day supply.

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- When is it coming out?

As stated above Enlargel will be available by September 1st, 2004.

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- Who's going to be the designated guinea pig(s) for this forum?

I'm not sure. We will likely offer a discount to an intial number of "testers" from the forum. Please don't PM me, you will be contacted if you are selected.

Criticisms:

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- Transdermal delivery isn't entirely new, I used the power enlarge patch a while back and was impressed how effective is was at giving me raging boners. No permanent growth though for the short time I've used it.

I think you're missing the concept. The "patch" might be considered transdermal, but not in the same way as Enlargel. The "patch" has a small amount of chemical that is absorbed into the blood stream, and then must affect the entire body - much the same as taking a pill. Enlargel is applied directly to the penile tissue, and is formulated in such a way as to affect the area that it is applied.

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- The ingredients seem to match up with other 'miracle' products out there, plus the main description has the usual buzzwords like "scientific" and "doctors".

I don't think we said "doctors". Also, I think that it is important to understand that although the extracts may be similar to others, no other product is blended in the same "synergistic" way, and to my knowledge, no other product has the unique dual action effect of Enlargel.

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- The label Male Enhancement is kind of vague. Does that mean permanent growth? Temporary growth? Just another "boner pill"? This seems like another corporate catch-phrase.

The idea behind male enhancement is more than, but includes, permanent growth. Other benefits include firmer erections, enhanced sensation, and increased stamina and overall sexual energy, i.e. libido.

That said, we believe that the effects are greatly enhanced in combination with exercise, and that Enlargel is primarily a way to super-charge PE when combined with more traditional exercises, manual, JELQ Device, PenisMaster, etc.

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- (Kinda a question as well) Has this product undergone any practical testing or QA? Or is it still on the drawing board? Is this only a supplement to PE or is it a magic gel that will do everything by itself?

We started working on it when Androgel hit the market and was being used for PE, then we decided to make it something truly great by incorporating the Vasodilator + Androgen Precursor concept, all in an transdermal delivery.

Enlargel has been in the making for nearly 3 years. It has been in the lab over the past 2 years. There have been numerous test batches, and experiments. We have focused on "practical testing" and have pretty much superceded the "Scientific Approach".

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Sorry if the tone of this post is a little caustic, but not only is this screaming "too good to be true", it's also using this forum as a jump off point. This seems like a wolf's-in-sheep clothing to me.

Don't get me wrong, it would be great if the product is an excellent enhancement to PE exercises. But I'll wait until we get some interactive (i.e. not canned) testimonials, whether good, neutral or bad.

I understand your concern. We have always taken the point of view that most PE is bogus and aimed primarily at making money. With the JELQ device we have always tried to be straight forward and honest. There is no "magic" product, period. However, there is PE that works, PE that works well and PE that works best. We strive for the latter.

--- Keep the questions coming. Please start a new thread for each set of questions, as this will help to keep the Enlargel forum clear.

Thanks,

Rob

Überschwanz · 08-19-2004, 06:21 PM

I find myself naturally suspicious of any product that contains or mimics testosterone. Would it have side effects like steroids (i.e. shrinking testicles, liver damage, etc.)? I'll be cautious on this one.

Rob · 08-19-2004, 06:46 PM

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I find myself naturally suspicious of any product that contains or mimics testosterone. Would it have side effects like steroids (i.e. shrinking testicles, liver damage, etc.)? I'll be cautious on this one.

I understand your concern. However, the good news is that Enlargel does NOT mimic testosterone, but assists the body in the NATURAL production of testosterone. This is an important distinction. An androgen precursor is a much healthier solution than Test. Supplements.

Why?

When you take topical testosterone, e.g. Androgel, you cause the body to lower or even cease natural testosterone production.

Androgen precursors help to enable and strengthen the body's natural produciton.

-- Rob

NewHere · 08-19-2004, 07:05 PM

I still don't understand the guy said he used it for 3 whole months.,
He didn't give us any results and what program he was using at the same time.

Can we use the product without using any PE exercises?

If this is not a jump off point for you and the product why don't they give betterman.com members 3 2 oz bottles to test before and we will put our results on the enlargel site/forum or this site and make the world believe it realy works. Deal ??

But for now I still think like all the other product it's just a rip off if we buy this product.

anyone agrees with me or am I just talking BS ?

Rob · 08-19-2004, 07:20 PM

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I still don't understand the guy said he used it for 3 whole months.,
He didn't give us any results and what program he was using at the same time.

I don't understand what you're talking about here. Sorry. Enlargel has been in development for almost 3 YEARS. What guy?

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If this is not a jump off point for you and the product why don't they give betterman.com members 3 2 oz bottles to test before and we will put our results on the enlargel site/forum or this site and make the world believe it realy works. Deal ??

I had to laugh. This IS a jump off point for Enlargel. As for me, well, I'm the reason that you're here. As for sponsorship - I think you have things reversed. Advanced Research pays to keep this forum alive, and free, and has never tried to force any products on anyone. The vast majority of members here have been eagerly awaiting Enlargel's release.

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But for now I still think like all the other product it's just a rip off if we buy this product.

You are entitled to your opinion. However, you use products every day, like the computer that you used to post your message here. Are they all just a "rip off" too? We haven't even offered Enlargel for sale. When we do, if you don't want to buy it, then don't.

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anyone agrees with me or am I just talking BS ?

The latter.

NewHere · 08-19-2004, 07:31 PM

I see no anwers on my Questions at all, only ways around ?

Plz tell us what the product exactly can do with our valuable man.....

Will he grow with only the product itself or do we need extra exercises ?

How did they test the product for 3 years long, as they still can't anwser simple Questions.............I am not getting mad at anybody, hope you understand that, but I am just getting sick of products that don't work ? :-)

I just hope so much that this product will work for all of us...............but is it ?

Rob btw you can't compare a computer to enlarging penises cause if my computer is too small I buy a big one and the other way around mate.

tZcc · 08-19-2004, 07:33 PM

Yup, I agree. Particularly when I first saw the < $100 price tag per month.

But let's make sure we're constructive AND critical of what is presented here.

It would probably be in their best interest to give out free or discounted supplies to some of the members here (likely it'll be the senior members who would know how to use it right with their PE exercises), but I'm sure that (us) junior members wouldn't complain too much if we got some free or discounted stuff.

NewHere · 08-19-2004, 07:37 PM

cause seniors are all already seniors if you know what I mean isn't it ? we would like to have the juniors to see their results with that stuff and some exercises or best without , altough I think the exercise will work and the product not....except for getting it up harder and longer....

Rob · 08-19-2004, 08:11 PM

NewHere,

Your name is about to be changed to NotHere. Please show some respect and start a new thread when the topic changes. Most of your latest questions are answered at http://forum.betterman.com/showthread.php?t=1396 .

The only other question that I saw

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Can we use the product without using any PE exercises?

Yes, but it is primarly a way to super-charge PE exercises.

Incubus · 08-19-2004, 08:35 PM

Rob,

The guy he is talking about is Playtimer. NewHere misread his post.
Here is the link to Plays Question that he had posted, and that NewHere misread/misunderstood.

Rob · 08-19-2004, 11:16 PM

I see. Sorry if I jumped to conclusions. I think that most of you can understand my occasional frustration.

-- Rob

tZcc · 08-20-2004, 03:53 AM

Rob, I've started posting other questions under their own topics in this forum. Just an FYI, since this thread seems to be getting more attentions than need be. :)

DaNnyBooi · 08-20-2004, 05:31 AM

"im new"...if this product was to come out where can we get it.... sorry if its a dumb question but i really dont know LOL.....arite, maybe i didint really read it correctly
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Irishdan · 09-18-2004, 03:43 AM

Hey Rob, I think all the guy's want to know the answers to some questions.

1) How many months will be required to gain some length and girth? is a three month supply suficient?

2) Will the gains be perminant? Have you tried this product your self?

3) What tests have been made and by whom, what were the results of these tests?

4) Having looked at the incrediants, they are simular to other products on the market that we know do not provide any increase in length or girth.

5) For older guy's is the use Yohimbi a problem? will it cause prostrate cancer. We know that Yohimbi when taken orally, can cause high blood pressure, when this product is put on in a topical application will case blood pressure to increase.

6) I know that you have offered this product at a reduced price. If a guy buys a one month supply and he satisfied with the results can he purchase two more months supply at the reduced price?

Rob · 09-21-2004, 03:56 AM

Answered at Rob cab you answers this