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Old 10-14-2004, 08:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Enlargel: side effect/bonus & concerns

First let me state that my ONLY intention is the safety of the people who are using Enlargel. I don't know Rob or the company and don't want this post to be considered any type of attack against him or the company. This post is my opinion based on my personal results and the limited research I have done on Androstenedione.
I have been using Enlargel twice a day for just over two weeks.
IMMEDIATE REACTION:
Vasodilators work well. Noticeably more blood in there. Slightly larger flaccid length & girth but results disappear after about an hour. Slightly harder erection on occasion but no noticeable or measurable difference in erect size.
LONGER TERM:
After two weeks; no noticeable permanent increases in flaccid or erect sizes.
SIDE EFFECT/BONUS?:
Enlargel is listed as odorless but the gel I received had a distinct "pheromone" odor similar to the smell of an aroused male. After application, the pheromone smell was stronger and stuck with me the rest of the day (similar to how a smoker smells like smoke/cigarettes all day). Even after a shower, the odor is still with me.
The bonus is that when my ex-girlfriend stopped by, this odor seemed to have a "positive" effect on her.
CONCERN:
I have been doing some research on Androstenedione and like Irishdan, I am concerned about some of the information I found regarding the cautions the FDA has posted about potential long-term adverse effects of the use of this ingredient.
1.) The human body is remarkable at adapting to change. If the body is receiving andro, it may stop producing andro precursors on its own. This may lead to your body requiring an outside supplement to provide andro precursors.
2.) Potential long-term adverse health consequences in men include testicular atrophy, impotence, and the development of female characteristics such as breast enlargement. Women who use these products may develop male characteristics such as male pattern baldness, deepening of the voice, increased facial hair, and enlargement of the clitoris, as well as abnormal menstrual cycle and abnormal bleeding, and blood clots
I read Rob's response about Enlargel taking 3 years of development and also that doctors are being contacted to test this product. I have not seen Rob post any evidence of testing to ensure that this product is safe. I did see mention that testing in Germany showed a 237% increase in free testosterone by using Androstenedione but it did not say that this is safe. I did see in other posts that users of this board will be used as the "guinea pigs" for this product.
CONCLUSION:
We must all evaluate risks/consequences/rewards and choose our own path in life. I am going to stop using Enlargel until I am able to find information to the contrary of what I have found so far. Being single, healthy and wanting a family; the risk is not worth ANY unproven results.
Here are a few sites that I found information on Androstenedione.
http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...DSH/andro.html
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/androqa.html
http://nccam.nih.gov/health/alerts/a...eradvisory.htm
If anybody finds other information that shows the safety of andro & positive results without potential dangerous side effects, please post for the rest of us to view.
Rob, would it be possible to re-formulate without the andro? There are a number of other androgen precursors in the formula. Even if the results were 50% less, for me the loss would be worth it for a potentially "safer" product.
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Old 10-14-2004, 10:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I dont think the andro will be an issue much longer since I just received an email from MuscleSurf.com stating that congress just instituted a ban on Andro etc.
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Old 10-15-2004, 05:21 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Have a clarification issue:

Were all these results produced from these safety tests from a systemic source of Androstenedione (absorbed by digestive system and distributed through the body), a non-systemic source (absorbed directly into tissue, in this case the skin) or both?

Or is this a totally moot point?
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Old 10-15-2004, 05:37 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Enlargel contains only a trace amount of andro. It is my understanding that its purpose, in our application, is simply to help the body in NATURAL TEST. PRODUCTION.

The references that you made are about Andro. used in large quantities as a substitute for anabolic steroids. You don't have anything to worry about from the small amount of Andro in Enlargel.
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Old 10-15-2004, 05:49 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Thank you for the quick responses.
Can you provide any insight on the odor of Enlargel or the "bonus" I mentioned above?
Has anybody else using Enlargel noticed this?
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Old 10-15-2004, 02:27 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I honestly can't smell it. To me, it has less odor than lotion.

I wander if the vasodilator is causing your body to produce this odor? Sounds like it's not a bad thing.
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Old 10-15-2004, 04:47 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Ordered the Enlargel on the 12th of Sept, got it yesterday applied this Morning.
My supply DOES smell, its not to bad but 1 hr after washing hands still there hahaha

How cares if its safe and does as advertised. Period.
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