Aleks

Hello All;
I just got on and am trying to get some kind of assistance. I've been using the PJ for 2 months now. I have gotten no results at all. There's a change after I complete the session but by the next morning I'm back to the same size I started with. I did hand jelqing for 9 months and I went through the same thing for that whole period. Any suggestions?

Aleks

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Aleks:

We're here to help. First off, what is your routine like and are you CONSISTENT with it? Consistency and dedication is crucial for PE. Second, if you are consistent and dedicated, how much time are you spending doing the PJ? And, are you doing any other girth exercises and stretching exercises with your PJ and are you doing the exercises properly? This sounds like alot of questions but these are important things to know for us here at PE to help you out. I've been on PE for only going on 4 months, using the PJ for merely 2 solid weeks and have seen huge improvement.

Let us know the above info. and we'll help all we can!!

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Marty5379

One thing you will notice about PE is that what you see after a workout is what you get IF you stick with it. You are making Dick Cheney bigger with your workouts. The time immediately following your workout is proof. If you continue to take Dick Cheney to new sizes, eventually it starts to stick. In other words, what you are seeing after a workout will someday be what you see BEFORE a workout. Keep pulling on that thing!

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Aleks:

Marty is absolutely right. For example, after my girth workout, my dick is thick and heavy and stays that way for several hours afterward, a sign of a good workout. You just have to keep it up and the results will come. Just like working out in the gym. If done long enough, your body will show it. Same with your dick. Hope this helps!

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Aleks

Here's my workout 5 days a week:
5 minutes or so of heat
5 to 10 minutes of stretching (Depends on time)
200 jelqs with the PJ
200 jelqs by hand
Several minutes of heat.
I did hand jelqing for 9 months 5 days a week and got nothing. I'd get results right afterward but by next day I'm starting all over. Even "Big" Al Alfaro got frustrated and couldn't understand why I was getting no results. Oh, I also used a pump for over 3 years every other day.That was no help. I also used VP-RX enhancement pills with the jelqing and nothing. I'm about ready to tie an anvil around the thing and toss the anvil out the window.

10 inches would be a dream. Actually, I've had dreams of 10 inches. But those were only dreams.

Alex

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Aleks:

I'm no penis scientist, but maybe your overworking it? I'm throwing things out here as your routine certainly seems fine. What is your warmup/down routine like? Are you only doing 5-10 min. of stretching per day? If so, maybe that's the problem. Your not stretching long enough? Determine what your LOT is and give your tool a good stretching against your LOT for 30 min. and see if that helps. Are you trying to increase your girth or length? Based on your comment about wanting 10 inches, I'm assuming length, but I wanted to be sure. Before you stretch for 30 min, though, make sure you do a thorough warm up first. Mine is usually 10 min. for stretching. Hope this helps!!

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Marty5379

This ain't gonna sound polite, but I am wondering aloud ...

This is not gospel, but it's what I believe. If Dick Cheney is expanded properly and thoroughly; if Dick Cheney is stretched beyond his normal length properly and thoroughly, then he has no choice but to become and longer and fatter man. That's my opinion and only my opinion.

When I read of your routine and the length of time you have devoted to PE, I cannot help but wonder if you are applying these methods effectively. What I mean is are you just running your hand up and down your Dick Cheney, or are you causing his head and neck to nearly bust. I mean can you feel his ribs on the side of the shaft when you apply the pressure of a tight jelq? Have you ever developed red spots on the head of Dick Cheney? Is your shaft becoming darker? Are the veins becoming more noticeable? And there are other physical signs of thoroughness in workouts as well as effectiveness.

My own personal opinion is that Dick Cheney has no choice but to grow if you consistently and continually take him above his normal size. Sooner or later he has to stretch and expand because the tissues weaken, become elastic, expand, etc.

My personal advice is to make sure you are seeing the outward physical signs of a thorough workout.

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Incubus

Marty5379 is 100% right. Listen to this man. If you don't submit your penis to strenuous exercise then you will never see any gains. If you have never pushed your dick to the limit then it will never grow. It is just like any other part of your body, to include your mind. If you don't exercise it it will just wither away, and become useless. If you want length you must commit to more time stretching. If you want girth you must commit more time to expanding.

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An add-on from a newbie: besides those signs Marty mentioned, LOOSE SKIN should also be one of them, and probably either the first or second.

Actually, that is also from Marty, so far as I know. :D

Aleks

With the PJ it's difficult NOT to give it a good exercise. Believe me, I feel what's inside when I'm using it. The hand jelqing I do after using the PJ involves tight strokes and stretching it as well. When I'm finished it's nice and red and stays red for quite some time afterward. It just doesn't hold.

When I first began jelqing I was doing about 20 minutes or so of stretching before I began. Nothing seemed to help.

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Aleks:

Are you measuring daily or something? With all that you seem to be doing, I can't see where your tool wouldn't be growing in some fashion. Does your tool swell up after your workout? How many PJ's are you doing per day and how intense are you doing them?


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Marty5379

Absolutely! I forgot all about that one, but it may be #1 in the entire process! Good remembrance.

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HoustonRockets

Hi all, this is definitely a very helpful post for me. I have been doing PE for about 3 to 4 months now, and I have mostly seen length gains. Girth-wise, I dont see any improvements.

I start to wonder about things but now that you guys list out the SIGNS of a good workout, I think I know why. I dont experience any of those except loose skin. To recap, here are a list of things PE-ers should see after intensive/good workouts:

1. Loose skin
2. Red spots on dick head
3. Shaft becomes darker
4. Veins become more noticeable
5. Dick stays thick and heavy for a period of time after workout

I would be using a tighter grip while jelqing starting today.

Aleks, I absolutely feel your pain, I was PJing for almost 1 yr before starting on newbie routine and see no gains, very frustrated. One thing I missed was the low erection level. Be sure you are not "too hard" for the exercise.

Aleks

Loose skin I got plenty of. I just don't have what it takes to fill it. All those things you're talking about are there. I'm just not seeing any results. Where's that anvil??? :-)

Aleks

I don't measure every day. I'd become even more frustrated. It looks big when I have my reading glasses on (2.5 prescription), and you've probably guessed, I keep them on quite a bit. I'm doing 200 PJs 5 days a week and 200 hand jelqs right after. The instructions recommended both.

Marty5379

All the above can occur and usually occur to some degree when you are doing routines that target girth, especially girth. Girth routines force more blood into Dick Cheney, the pressure is enormous and can cause red spots to appear on his head (until you are conditioned), and the pressurized blood maybe is what contributes in some way to the darker skin - i.e. you are putting more blood into the shaft and skin than before. If you are not getting 1-5, especially 2-5, then this helps to explain why you have seen no gains in girth. Don't worry, though, girth IMO is easier to produce than length. Keep making it longer and come back to girth later.

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2cents

Aleks,
Can you describe yourself physically, and give us a little information on your diet, your daily activities, and general health? Also do you smoke or drink a lot of alcohol? Do you get a good amount of sleep regularly? I don't mean to get personal, but these things do affect PE and all functions of the body. Also, as I often go on about, there are some supplements that might help. Are you taking any currently? I mention that because we are all different, and it is a simple fact that some people's bodies produce chemicals in different amounts or lack certain things or what have you. I believe in attacking any problem from all angles, and I firmly believe in backing up PE with certain things. And sometimes we need a little extra help. We will figure this out.

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Marty:

Quick question for you. I don't get much in the way of blood spots anymore on my tip, but I get the loose skin, thick as hell flacid hang hours afterward, etc....would this be due my dick being in a completely conditioned state for PE? Just want to make sure I'm maximizing those gains!

JonPop

Gonna give you a new exercise 10.

Get an erection of about 60 70%. (no more than this as you want to leave room for expanson) Make O.K. grip at base like you are going to do 3 part dry jelq, palm faceing down. Do a couple of hard Kegels and tighten the grip, this is the start of a ULI. Next, tighten middle finger, then tighten fourth finger, then tighten little finger. Holding tight grip with all four fingers hold squeeze for 30 seconds. Relax grip and massage for 30 seconds. Repeat this exercise 5 times. This is a great exercise for mid and upper shaft girth. JonPop

Gonna revise this. These are pretty intense. If you can only do 1 or 2 of these, that's O.K. You will be able to work up to the set of 5.
I just did them and found that I could only do 2 myself. Might have been too erect. JP

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Aleks

I'm 5'9" 170 lbs. I exercise 6 days a week early in the AM. I don't smoke or drink and I'm a modified vegan. I take supplements. As I mentioned, I tried the enhancement pills and they didn't do anything. The same with DHEA. I've tried yohimbe, horney goat weed, maca, catuaba bark, tongkat ali, and others I can't recall. Nothing does anything. The unfortunate thing is that I have to take some mild medications for the heart. Otherwise, I'm pure.

JonPop, sounds like a pretty good routine. How many times do you do it per week? I did encounter a problem when I spent 9 months hand jelqing. I got a case of "trigger finger." Believe me, you can't do anything that requires any kind of pressure with your hands when you got that. The pain is excruciating --- and I got it in both hands yet. That's why it was only 9 months and not 12. So, I got the PJ to help in the process. As I mentioned, when I was doing the hand jelqing I was getting all of the signs but by the next day I was starting from scratch.

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Thanks JP!

Will utilize that new exercise during my Friday AM girth work. Sounds pretty intense. I'm diggin' it!!

Marty5379

I think there is somewhat agreement that as Dick Cheney gets in shape the red spots on his head tend to disappear. As for my Dick Cheney, he never gets spots on his head. In my early days of jelqing I got plenty of them after every workout. Then one day they stopped appearing though my workout was the same and even became more intense.

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Robert E. Lee in 1863

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OK, that's what I thought. I did get alot of them too when I first started. My routine hasn't changed, only intensified, and I get everything else but the spots. Good to know. BTW, my dick is getting damn big!! SWEET! Thanks Marty

Aleks

JP, I forgot to mention that it's similar to "The Squeeze" that some use. But, with "The Squeeze" you need to do 50+ reps. I've got the instructions, if you want it. I think I need to do one of these.

By the way, how many days a week do you guys work it? With the PJ they say 4 to 5 in their website home. Then, inside they say either every other day or every day. Anyway, how do you know when you're overworking it?

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Aleks:

I personally follow a 5 on 2 off schedule, doing JP's 3 part dry jelqs on my on & off days. I do 300 pj's daily, followed by a set of 5 Uli squeezes at 30 seconds a piece and a set of 3 of the above mentioned squeezes that JP recommended for me. I know this is no consolation to you but this routine is giving me phenomenal results. Maybe you should try something similar? Change up your routine or add things to it to shock your dick. Hope that helps!

2cents

Aleks,
Based on your routine and your dedication to fitness, I can't see much lacking. You might in fact be overtraining or working your body too hard. Do you feel tired out at times, or just not as energetic perhaps as you once were? I ask that also because you mentioned all the aphrodisiacs you took and said you didn't notice anything. You should've at least felt some slight increase in libido or something from at least one of those. If not being diverted as exercise fuel, based on your diet, there might be nutrients lacking that can be stalling your development. I mention this because your are a vegan but many people are lacking in some ways nutritionally regardless of dietary restrictions. Unfortunately it can be very hard to pinpoint these things, especially for non-professionals.

Perhaps a change of routine is also in order, as some have mentioned. Similar to exercising, if you stay at the same level, your improvement will stagnate. Just try not to get frustrated, and as I said before, the answers and results will come. One thought I just had: you mentioned that you look and feel good after workouts, but the results don't seem to last. Maybe if you slowly worked in hanging right after workouts, or another ADS type routine? In theory this would keep you at bigger sizes for longer, and perhaps start healing and staying at this greater size. I don't have any experience myself with hanging or ADS devices, but I am looking to start. In any case, this seems like it might help you keep the results you've been getting.

JonPop

Good post 2cents. I'd like to add; Aleks, being a vegan, you need to supplement your vitamins and minerals. Start on the supplements I recommend in my Newbie Routine.
JonPop

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I've got a Tiger by the Tail

Aleks

Yeah, thanks guys. I'm going to try a change in my routine and see what happens.

Aleks

Well, it's the end of January. I've changed my routine and still have no change. I hand jelqued for 9 months and got no change. Then, went to the PJ and got no change. My fingers are aching.