Raw Power's quest to be large begins here.

raw power · 04-18-2005, 06:28 PM

I started back on 2-22-05 at exactly 6x5--very average and ordinary. After 8 weeks on a newbie program similar to Jon's (minus the stetching) consisting of 15 mins of wet jelq in the AM and 50 v-jelqs in the shower at night, I am now noticing a slightly better flaccid and just a tiny increase in erect length/girth. My problem is that I measure too often, so I'll lay off for a while.

My goal is to get up to 7.5 x 6. That would be very cool and I can't wait to see how my woman reacts to the changes. Here is what I did today:

3 part dry jelq--25 reps at each part---3 total sets
10 Uli's--get 80% erect, hold at base for 20 secs, pump forward for a few reps.

5 mins of "regular" dry jelqs
3 stretches held for 30 secs each--straight out and straight up

Can you all offer some opinions on the above workout? Should I just stay on the newbie plan for a while more? I'm open to suggestions.

2cents · 04-25-2005, 02:57 AM

raw power,
My first suggestion would be to keep the newbie routine as the minimum of what you do and add to it. I'm not sure what a regular dry jelq is, but if you're going to jelq I would not suggest removing wet jelqs from your program. Also, I'm not sure why you didn't stretch to begin with, but I would say to do that also as perscribed in the newbie routine.

10 · 04-25-2005, 03:53 AM

2cents is absolutely correct raw power. Stretching is an integral part of the PE process. And, if your going to follow JP's newbie routine, you should really adhere to it to a "t".

raw power · 04-25-2005, 05:10 PM

Guys, I appreciate your replies. Since I posted that message, I have made a point of adding a significant amount of stretching in my routine. A far as wet vs. dry jelqs--I just feel like I get a deeper, more thorough pull with the dry, like I'm moving more blood around and working the tissues at a deeper level. This morning I did the following:

Stretches as per Jon's newbie routine
20 minutes of dry jelq (including 3-part dry jelq)
7 Uli's thrown in at various intervals

This afternoon I'll do another 10 minutes of jelq along with some more stretching, and, before I go to bed, I'll do 50-60 v-jelq in the shower.

raw power · 04-26-2005, 07:25 PM

Today:

AM
stetch--2x upward, 2x outward for 30 sec. each. Helicopter shakes in between

Dry jelq-15 minutes --each stroke is 3-4 seconds.
7 Uli--held for 30 secs. each

Warm down

PM-
V-jelqs in the shower--60 reps (left/right=1 rep)
10 mins of stretching after the shower

It's tough seeing little to no results but I'm plodding along. I'll measure in two more weeks, which will mark my 3-month point.

raw power · 05-10-2005, 02:32 PM

Ok, here is an update. I measured during week #10 and was one tick mark shy of 6.25" x 5.25" base girth, 5"mid-shaft girth--that is up just slightly from the beginning stats. Now, I'm in week 12 of my PE quest and here is what the workouts look like as of today:

AM--stretching-outward/upward held for 90 seconds each. I do about 3 or 4 of these before jelqing.

Jelqing wet for 10-15 minutes during which I'll alternate between traditional and v-jelqs. I also do 5 uli following the jelqing. The uli are held for 30 secs. each.

PM-same as above only I may do dry jelqs instead and lube up for the v-jelqs.

During the dry session, part of the 10-15 mins. is made up of 3-part dry jelqs. I love these and hope to see girth gains from them. It seems like some growth has occured since I started dry jelqing a few weeks ago, but who knows if this really is the case. I just know that dry jelqs seem to work the meat in a "deeper" more thorough way.

So, what do you all think? Am I overdoing this by doing two 10-15 min. sessions per day? Should I scale down a bit? For what it's worth, since these sessions are so short, I never really hurt myself or cause any discomfort. My dong always feels OK afterwards.

JonPop · 05-10-2005, 02:41 PM

Hey RP. Go for it. If it isn't causing you any soreness, this routine sounds good. You are right in the time frame that you should start seeing big gains, especially in your girth. Keep workin'. JP

raw power · 05-10-2005, 03:05 PM

Jon,

I really hope to see some growth. My goal is 7.5" non-bone pressed length x 6" mid-shaft girth with a big knob head. The length goal is based on comments from my wife.

I look at how much larger 6" girth is than my current 5" mid-shaft and I get kinda discouraged thinking "how can I get up there to being that big" not to mention 7.5" length from my current 6.25." I'm gonna keep on plugging away and have the attitude that I EXPECT gains, and not go around worried that that I won't get them. I'm gonna measure again at the end of this month.

raw power · 05-11-2005, 01:15 PM

Well, it looks like I spoke too soon. This morning I went limp on little wifey during our "wake up session." After yesterday's PM routine listed above, my meat had a dull, ache type of feeling that is still going on this morning!! I only managed about a 60-70% hardness rating with her and it left her unsatisfied. Could I really be over training? Now that I think about it, I don't have those morning raging hardwoods that I did during the first 8 weeks when I was just doing basically the newbie routine. Should I just go back to doing that and will I lose gains if I go on a routine that has less volume than what I'm currently doing? Thanks for your help guys, I'm still trying to figure this PE thing out. I am the worst at wanting my gains now!!

10 · 05-11-2005, 02:23 PM

rp:

First off, calm down buddy. It's ok. Trust me, you're not alone. I had the same problem you've got now about 4 months ago. Couldn't keep a good erection for my girth workout and got extremely frustrated. JP advised me to take some time off. Now, I did take about 5 days off but no more as I couldn't tear myself away.

What I'm advocating here pal is to not stress on this. You've got to remember that your dick isn't going to go from zero to "OH MY GOD" overnight. It's going to take time. I've learned as the months have passed to pace yourself. You already know that you're in this for the long haul, so sit back, relax, and take PE one day at a time. I sense that your obssessing on this and that isn't good. It's exactly what I did back in January of this year and henceforth had the same problem your having now.

So, my advice to you brother is this, take a couple of days off. Let your dick have a chance to catch it's breath. Not being able to come to full scale boner is a clear indication that you're overworking the little guy. I know it's hard but trust me, you'll thank yourself later that you did.

JonPop · 05-11-2005, 02:32 PM

raw power, this is good advice from 10. He listened to me, you listen to him. Someday, you'll be advising someone else on this very same thing.

raw power · 05-11-2005, 03:44 PM

Ok guys, thanks for keeping me straight. I'll take tomorrow through the weekend off and start again on Monday. I believe that I'm fairly sane about all this, it's just that my half-hard dong scared me a little bit as I've always had blue steel erections. I do recall my dry jelqs yesterday being very rough, i.e. I used very strong grip pressure and worked it very slowly. I also did 7 uli's that I held for 60 seconds each. Wanna10incher, I'll go back and read through your log for some perspective and motivation.

So, after my mini-layoff, should I go back to my two-a-day sessions or start up with something less? Any suggestions on how to proceed following an overtraining binge? The end of this week will mark my 3-month anniversary of PE.

I can be a little obsessive about reaching goals. I did it throughout school and sports with things like GPA, reaching 400 lbs. squat/deadlift, etc......so, why not PE? I'm only after another 1.5"x 1" and I think it can be done.

10 · 05-11-2005, 03:53 PM

RP:

If you worked your dick as hard as you say you did, then I can see why it gave up on you. It needs rest. Since your into body building much the same as I am, you'll understand the importance for body parts and muscle groups to get the rest they need for proper recovery.

I realize that the dick is not a muscle but the same rules apply. You need to give it rest to get it to grow. Now, you can manually stretch on your off days. Stretching a limp penis is fine, it's working it out during an erection that's a bit more stressful on it.

My advice to you would be to do girth two days and take the third day off. Hope this helps.

raw power · 05-11-2005, 04:11 PM

So, basically do a full PE (stretch/jelq/uli sqeezes) 2 on--1 off, with manual stretching done every day? I think I can handle that.

Man, my piece still aches this morning! Just like a dull, dead, ache that doesn't want to expand at all. I take today through the weekend off and start up on Monday with the plan you advised above. I tend to overdo everything--even lifting weights. It took everything in me to change to a more sane approach to lifting. Since I don't compete in Olympic lifting anymore I just do a simple workout mon/tues...thurs/fri...two sets of 5, 85% max. and my strength has gone WAY up without me getting over tired or injured. My max in the deadlift has gone through the roof while my bodyweight has stayed the same at 175 lbs. I used to do marathon workouts of many, many sets that gained me nothing but a blown out knee and dragging my feet all day. I would always think that "if I do just one more set, that will really get me going towards my goal." Not anymore.

Now, with PE and the way my meat stick feels today, I can see where recovery is needed. A general guideline we do in olympic lifting is to "train as heavy as possible while staying as fresh as possible" but it is sometimes hard to find the thin line between doing just enough and over doing things. I'm walking that line right now and have found what too much feels like.

Now, with all that said...I WILL (as I pound the table with my fist!) get my goal of another 1.5" x 1"!!!

10 · 05-11-2005, 04:47 PM

RP:

You stick with that and I can almost guarantee you'll not only see results but that you erections will become more intense as time goes on. Glad I could help.

raw power · 05-11-2005, 06:45 PM

One thing I forgot to ask for advice on: when I do resume next Monday with the 2 on/1 off method, should I go back to my two-a-day exercise sessions on my "on" days? Or, should I do a more moderate, say 15-20 minute stretch/jelq/uli routine once per day? I'm not sure what fatigued my meat pole the most--doing 10-15 mins. twice per day for a few weeks or the grip pressure I was using on my dry jelqs. If I knew the cause it would be easier to know how to adjust. I'm still learning after 3 months of this.

10 · 05-11-2005, 07:12 PM

I would recommend ONE girth routine per day at least until the fatigue your experiencing diminishes. You can manually stretch throughout the day if you wish. Bear in mind RP that girth is easily overworked as you now know. It does take some practice to get the hang of PE, but once you figure what works for you and what doesn't, you'll be on your way bro.

raw power · 05-12-2005, 02:45 PM

Ok, now I'm going to step back here and review things in how I'll approach things next week after this mini layoff.

-2 on/1 off
-manual stretching is less traumatizing and can be each day
-One girth focused session during the "on" days
-progress slowly/gradually

Alright, what I could do is just go back and model Jon's newbie plan but with a couple of modifications that I must allow for due to time and privacy being at a premium for me. I figure that at 3 seconds per stroke, I'll do around 200 dry jelqs in 10 minutes. This, along with the stretches layed out in Jon's newbie plan is a very reasonable plan. As for the V-Jelqs, since I'll need lubrication for them, I could add them in during my shower in the evenings--maybe 50 reps along with some stretching.

During the 200 dry jelq session in the morning I could incorporate some 3-part dry jelqs as well as "regular" strokes and maybe end with a few Uli squeeze holds. As for progressing, I could add a couple of minutes onto the morning plan, increase stretching time, or add in some extra v-jelqs when I take my shower at night. What do yall think, is this revised plan coming together? What would you change about it if you were in my shoes?

10 · 05-12-2005, 03:01 PM

RP:

Your plan sounds feasible. One thing I'd like to throw in is that the 3 part drys were mainly for during the day piss breaks or whenever you get around to doing them. You don't necessarily have to incorporate them into your workout. It's completely up to you how you design your routine. Just something for you to think about. The only thing I can't stress enough is to not overdo it.

raw power · 05-12-2005, 03:09 PM

10, thanks for taking the time to steer me in the right direction for gaining a longer, thicker pole. That's what I'm after--a big, thick pole. Now, it's time to stop pondering and put yours and Jon's advice to work next week.

10 · 05-12-2005, 03:38 PM

No problem bro. We're all here for a big, thick pole. If you need any more advice, give a shout out!

raw power · 05-16-2005, 02:17 PM

Today I re-started my routine after taking 5 days off. I decided to simplify again. Here is what I did:

5:00am

Stretching
Three long stretches outward/upward lasting for 90 seconds each with moderate pressure.

Dry Jelq
10 minutes at around 40-60% erection level

Uli
Five standard uli's

During the exercising I had a decent "pump" but did not push things too hard. Afterward, my post workout pump/hang only lasted around 5 minutes and now, four hours later I still feel like I have a pathetic flaccid going on; it feels like a little schoolboys penis. I've never understood what so many guys claim when they say that their after workout "hang" lasts for several hours. Mine has never lasted for even 30 minutes following a workout, then it just turtles up for a while before returning to normal later in the day. What am I missing here?

Maybe some of this is due to stress and the general pervasive mood of sulking/depression that I've been in lately (not because of my lack of PE gains but due to other things going on in life). Maybe my body just isn't as responsive when I'm in this condition. Sometimes I think all this PE is just a bunch of crap and that my body just isn't the type that responds to it, then I read all the true stories from others and know that it really can work.

10 · 05-16-2005, 02:34 PM

rp:

Hang in there brother. We've all been through what your going through. You just have to hang tough and get through it. Don't be so concerned about your flaccid hang, it varies so much that it's not worth it. Over time and with dedication to PE, you'll find that your flaccid hang will stay "pumped" more after a good girth workout. For example, my flaccid hang in the beginning did just what your's is doing. Then, over time, it changed. You're not going to go from a small flaccid hang to an "oh my God" flaccid hang over night. As I stated a few posts ago, it's going to take time and only perceveirance on your part will change that.

This PE thing isn't a bunch of crap. Look at JP for God's sake. That man went from a miniscule little 4 1/2" BPEL to 8.25"!! Yes, it took him two years to do it, but he did it. All it takes is dedication and time my friend. You've just got to be willing to make the effort and not give in. Hell, I even sometimes get a little down about my flaccid hang but then I have to remember what it looks like erect and it's gotten pretty damn big. That's what counts!

Take a deep breath rp, your going to make it through.

JonPop · 05-16-2005, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Look at JP for God's sake. That man went from a miniscule little 4 1/2" BPEL to 8.25"!!

No, 10. I went from a "Miniscule" 4 3/4" to a monster

And raw power, don't worry about flacid hang. I attribute my FH to stretching the ligs so much that they don't pull back into the Turtle mode anymore, stay with the program. If you don't do this, 2 years from now you will just be 2 years older and still where you are now. Snap out of your sulk/depression and get to work. This is the best therapy I can offer.

10 · 05-16-2005, 09:35 PM

Geez JP, now who's being literal??? LOL Point is you were miniscule and now your huge.

RP: JP is exactly right dude. You need to snap out of it and hit it. It's going to take time, just know it and get used to it.

JonPop · 05-16-2005, 09:51 PM

Just didn't want you to short my shortie any shorter than the shortie it was....Hahahah.

10 · 05-16-2005, 09:56 PM

Try saying that ten times fast hehe.

raw power · 05-20-2005, 03:02 PM

I've had several good PE workouts this week with good expansion and no pain. Mostly 10-12 minutes of dry jelq but I would lube up for my v-jelqs. I also did several static holds with stretching with each hold lasting for at least 90 seconds. V-jelqs were done in the shower every night this week, 50 reps, left/right=1 rep.

I will be away from now until August. I'll be travelling and won't be able to get to a computer to post, so this will probably be my last post until then. Do you all have any last minute advice for me as I plan to continue PE over the summer? Changes in routine, things to add to the routine, etc..?

I appreciate your alls help and even though my gains have been very little in my 3 months of PE, I'm going to keep plugging along. Later....................