Steroids - Page 2

Überschwanz · 09-26-2006, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 88man

Sik: as an athlete where I compete for who can throw the furthest, steroids are an unfair edge to the competition and blow to the people who dont want to take a steroid to get ahead in the game without their own talent. The sport is made for the guys who strive to be the best at a technique and compete to see who's the best from their honset hard work.

It's true that steroids wont do shit, unless you are dieting properly and training right. People like Bodybuilders are the ones where it takes years to become pro material. The truth of the matter is that they stack numerous AAS's together to get where they want to be, faster....and this is a widely known fact.

Creatine, protein, and other non-hormonal supplaments cant compare to steroids. Creatine and the others dont mess with your hormones like AAS's do. Hell why not eat large amounts of red meat, because there's lots of creatine in that.........cant get in trouble for eating red meat now can ya? creatine and protein are not synthetic hormones that create perfect/ unreal environments for obtaining muscle and strength.

You said it better than I could 88.

88man · 09-26-2006, 05:54 PM

Thanks Ube. This is a subject that I am very serious about, with my sport and all.

sikdogg · 09-26-2006, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by themaninwhite

Check out this review article. It is a tell all.

1: Toxicol Lett. 2005 Sep 15;158(3):167-75.
Adverse effects of anabolic steroids in athletes. A constant threat.Maravelias C, Dona A, Stefanidou M, Spiliopoulou C.
Department of Forensic Medicine and Toxicology, University of Athens, Medical School, 75 Mikras Asias Street, Goudi, Athens 115 27, Greece.

Anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS) are used as ergogenic aids by athletes and non-athletes to enhance performance by augmenting muscular development and strength. AAS administration is often associated with various adverse effects that are generally dose related. High and multi-doses of AAS used for athletic enhancement can lead to serious and irreversible organ damage. Among the most common adverse effects of AAS are some degree of reduced fertility and gynecomastia in males and masculinization in women and children. Other adverse effects include hypertension and atherosclerosis, blood clotting, jaundice, hepatic neoplasms and carcinoma, tendon damage, psychiatric and behavioral disorders. More specifically, this article reviews the reproductive, hepatic, cardiovascular, hematological, cerebrovascular, musculoskeletal, endocrine, renal, immunologic and psychologic effects. Drug-prevention counseling to athletes is highlighted and the use of anabolic steroids is must be avoided, emphasizing that sports goals may be met within the framework of honest competition, free of doping substances.

PMID: 16005168 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

This is an article and not a study... everyone knows of potential side effects from steroids but this doesn't prove it. I can list out all the potential side effects of Asperin or other NSAIDs, or of caffiene, or tobacco, or any number of other things but that wouldn't prove anything. There are potential side effects for EVERYTHING that we put in out bodies.... but no one is dropping dead from them.

sikdogg · 09-26-2006, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 88man

Sik: as an athlete where I compete for who can throw the furthest, steroids are an unfair edge to the competition and blow to the people who dont want to take a steroid to get ahead in the game without their own talent. The sport is made for the guys who strive to be the best at a technique and compete to see who's the best from their honset hard work.

I can see your point with your particular sport, but this doesn't apply to most profession sports franchises.

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It's true that steroids wont do shit, unless you are dieting properly and training right. People like Bodybuilders are the ones where it takes years to become pro material. The truth of the matter is that they stack numerous AAS's together to get where they want to be, faster....and this is a widely known fact.

Every sport that has an amateur and professional rank takes years to achieve. My point was that regardless of how hard someone trains in thier sport, you're not going to make it to the pro's with just steroids alone. You need talent and other intangibles to make it, with or without steroids.

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e, protein, and other non-hormonal supplaments cant compare to steroids. Creatine and the others dont mess with your hormones like AAS's do. Hell why not eat large amounts of red meat, because there's lots of creatine in that.........cant get in trouble for eating red meat now can ya? creatine and protein are not synthetic hormones that create perfect/ unreal environments for obtaining muscle and strength.

Creatine may not be a synthetic hormone, but supplements like it do create perfect/unreal environments for gaining muscle and strength. Do you know how many pounds of steak you would need to eat to equal what two scoops of creatine produce??? we're talking many pounds of meat per day. This is no different than supplementing with hormones. Yes there are risks, but that is a personal choice and something that particular person has to live with. For the record, everything about sports medicine and sports science is about creating a perfect/unreal environment for increasing performance.

You guys want to legislate fairness, that's just not going to ever happen as fairness is a personal thing. Personally, i don't want a fair world... that is a boring world.

Überschwanz · 09-26-2006, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sikdogg

You guys want to legislate fairness, that's just not going to ever happen as fairness is a personal thing. Personally, i don't want a fair world... that is a boring world.

No, it's about health and setting an example for young impressionable kids. Sikdogg, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I get the feeling you will never admit all the adverse effects steroids have on the human body no matter how many studies are done.

sikdogg · 09-26-2006, 06:43 PM

Actually, i admit that there many potential adverse side effects for steroids and anyone you says otherwise is fooling themselves... there are also many positive side effects (or no one would use them). It's up to the individual to make that choice for themselves as the risks and rewards are theirs only.

I don't believe that everyone should take them... but if you do, what's the problem?!? It's your body that's at risk, not mine or anyone else's...

Let's get real... young athletes are just as competitive as adults. They don't take steroids because some pro does... thay take it because it allows them to excel in their given sport. Are they going to become a pro?? depends on their abilities and talent, not the steroid they used.

88man · 09-26-2006, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sikdogg

I don't believe that everyone should take them... but if you do, what's the problem?!? It's your body that's at risk, not mine or anyone else's...

See the problem is the person who takes the steroids, is effecting people around them. People around the person who take steroids feel like the only way to get better is if (the ROIDER is doing good) is to take the damn roids. Now like I said before, steroids wont make a terrible person in certain sports better, but will give them a boost. AAS's will help, but not make you superman overnight. It does take time, but shorter (WAY SHORTER) if you use ROIDS. As far as creatine goes, I still cant beleive that you still want to compare it to AAS's. This is still a naturally occuring subtance unlike AAS's. Sure test is naturally occuring, but when you take in outside sources of test, your body stops production ( SMALL NUTS ). Creatine wont shrink your nuts, but the body does make it. Creatine does have small side-effects on the liver if taken in large amounts without adequate water for LONG periods of time. Dehydration can occur also, hence the inadequate water consumption. None of these side effects even come close to the use of AAS. Creatine can never equal the amount of muscle growth either, because alot of the strength gains are from your muscles being saturated in water and nutrients.

marjam · 02-28-2007, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by rocky6535

Why should we care if it's dangerous and/or addictive? Many pro athletes make more money than any individual should be able to spend in a lifetime. It's probably worth the risk. The real question is should steroid become legalized based on whether or not it makes sports more entertaining. I'm leaning toward yes.

I agree that they put in alot of time and effort and have to be skilled to do their jobs, but I will never understand why they make millions of dollars to entertain while teachers, fire fighters, police, emt's, soldiers and others make chump change for protecting and forming our present and our future. As an EMT I won't make in a lifetime what some athletes make in a year yet I put my life on the line every time I touch a patient.

happy stud · 02-28-2007, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by marjam

I agree that they put in alot of time and effort and have to be skilled to do their jobs, but I will never understand why they make millions of dollars to entertain while teachers, fire fighters, police, emt's, soldiers and others make chump change for protecting and forming our present and our future. As an EMT I won't make in a lifetime what some athletes make in a year yet I put my life on the line every time I touch a patient.

Because it aint about what profession is more important. Its about supply and demand. There are actually very very few people that are good enough to play any professional sport. But theres millions and millions of people that can be teachers, nurses, firemen, etc. No damn question what ya'll do is a helluva lot more important than what professional athletes do. But as long as dumb ass people are willing to pay the high ass ticket prices and watch the shit on tv then the owners can get more money through advertising and thats why these fuckers get paid the money they do.

rocky6535 · 02-28-2007, 04:04 AM

That's exactly right, perhaps unfair, but right. And it brings us back to my comment. Would you have any problem with a doctor or a lawyer abusing ritalin or aderol to study harder, get smarter and save your life either in a hospital or on death row? I wouldn't. In the end, they are abusing drugs illegally to gain an advantage over other professionals in their field to be the best. Sure it is possible to be a great doctor or lawyer just with hard work, but there are so many people trying to do that and the level of competition is really high. Given that degree of pressure, it's unrealistic to expect people not to do everything in their power to succeed. Athletes are professionals with an incentive to succeed at what they do. We live in a society that only pays attention to winners and number ones, so steroids just like ritalin/aderol abuse is destined to be our reality. That being said, I'm a law student and even though I know that some people with be popping ritalin to push themselves through 14 hour days of studying, I'm not going to do it. But maybe I'll be able to compensate by having a big dick...=)