Steroids

little_timmy · 05-31-2005, 09:51 AM

Whats your view on Steroids in both sports and body building? Personally, I wouldn't because I want a big dick

10 · 05-31-2005, 12:58 PM

Not interested. I've always felt that if I can't have the body I want by working out and eating right, then it isn't worth having. Besides, I really don't want my balls to shrink to the size of raisins.

needsizeG · 05-31-2005, 09:40 PM

Steriods dont effect your dick they shrink your balls not your dick.

They are safe IF USED PROPERLY but lets face it no one listens to that.

sikdogg · 05-31-2005, 09:50 PM

I personally like and want steroids in athletics... i like seeing guys break record after record. Basically, i want athletes to get better year after year, not the other way around as it it in baseball at the moment. I don't feel that there's anything wrong with steroids...

The side effect of balls shrinking is only temporary in 99% of the guys that use steroids... I think that most people don't understand what steroids can and can't do. Taking steroids isn't going to make you into a musclebound freak overnight... it takes years of constant use with a CLEAN AND SOUND DIET for it to work. It takes alot of thought and planning to actually see real gains from it. Most people take steroids based on bro-telligence and think they're going to be the next Arnold.

JonPop · 05-31-2005, 10:43 PM

bro-telligence, neat word, says alot.

Überschwanz · 05-31-2005, 10:44 PM

Steroids cause liver damage.

sikdogg · 05-31-2005, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Überschwanz

Steroids cause liver damage.

Only steroids (mostly oral) that are 17-alpha-alkylated (17aa)... injectables for the most part aren't hepatoxic. But even this problem can be easily mitigated by limiting use of 17aa gear to 4-6 weeks max.

needsizeG · 06-01-2005, 12:05 AM

liver damage is easily managed with Liv52 and milk thistle

sikdogg · 06-01-2005, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by little_timmy

...Personally, I wouldn't because I want a big dick

You know... steroids can inprove your strength. With that, you can pull harder on your dick to make it bigger

kal · 06-01-2005, 06:28 PM

I personally don't care about taking steroids. I polute my body with enough oral medications to add steroids to it. My ONLY concern now is getting a bigger dick.

10 · 06-01-2005, 07:31 PM

OK, "bro-telligence"?? Little help here.

JonPop · 06-01-2005, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wanna10incher

OK, "bro-telligence"?? Little help here.

BRO-TELLIGENCE(N)

To recieve information, unsubstantiated, by word of mouth from your "Bro"

ANOLOGY for bro-telligence;

Hey man...Try this shit it rocks.

Hey 10. Diggin' at ya.

10 · 06-01-2005, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JonPop

BRO-TELLIGENCE(N)

To recieve information, unsubstantiated, by word of mouth from your "Bro"

ANOLOGY for bro-telligence;

Hey man...Try this shit it rocks.

Hey 10. Diggin' at ya.

OK, that's what I thought but wasn't sure. Oh and JP, thanks for the dig man, may I have another hehehe.

JonPop · 06-02-2005, 01:00 AM

This is what I love about you, 10. You're not afraid to ask a goofy question. Ha, snicker.

10 · 06-02-2005, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JonPop

This is what I love about you, 10. You're not afraid to ask a goofy question. Ha, snicker.

How do you suppose 'ol 10 made it through college???

Abdullah_Bashir · 09-25-2006, 05:04 AM

steroids are like drugs. Your body will have to be addicted to it to show constant results.

sikdogg · 09-25-2006, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Abdullah_Bashir

steroids are like drugs. Your body will have to be addicted to it to show constant results.

You make absolutely no sense... There is absolutely no study (clinical or otherwise) that shows steroids to be addicting. People get that notion from media hype and not from science.

rocky6535 · 09-25-2006, 06:19 AM

Why should we care if it's dangerous and/or addictive? Many pro athletes make more money than any individual should be able to spend in a lifetime. It's probably worth the risk. The real question is should steroid become legalized based on whether or not it makes sports more entertaining. I'm leaning toward yes.

themaninwhite · 09-25-2006, 02:10 PM

My take on it is do what you want. The evidence for damage to the body is there, as well as success. I personally would never take them, but thats just me. Steriods do work and may not hurt you if used properly, problem is, a lot of guys don't use them properly. My only thought is if you use them, please don't abuse them.

want8 · 09-25-2006, 02:58 PM

Well, I have used steroid injections. Not in a long time, but when I was taking them I was in the body building mode. Pumping weights and eating my ass off! I am 5'9" and got to around 210 pounds, pure muscle. Benching 475 lbs. Now, I could have done this without the steroids, but who knows how long it would have taken. I think they really boosted the time factor to get to where I was. And as far as my health, I am as healthy as a horse.

Überschwanz · 09-25-2006, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky6535

Why should we care if it's dangerous and/or addictive? Many pro athletes make more money than any individual should be able to spend in a lifetime. It's probably worth the risk. The real question is should steroid become legalized based on whether or not it makes sports more entertaining. I'm leaning toward yes.

Absolutely not. Using steroids in sports isn't in what I would consider the spirit of true American athletic competition. Part of training to beat your opponent involves fighting against yourself and becoming better than you were. Steroids are a cheap shortcut.

Überschwanz · 09-25-2006, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by want8

Well, I have used steroid injections. Not in a long time, but when I was taking them I was in the body building mode. Pumping weights and eating my ass off! I am 5'9" and got to around 210 pounds, pure muscle. Benching 475 lbs. Now, I could have done this without the steroids, but who knows how long it would have taken. I think they really boosted the time factor to get to where I was. And as far as my health, I am as healthy as a horse.

Don't bet on it want8. Your liver is probably in worse shape than you think and you can't live without a liver.

sikdogg · 09-25-2006, 03:37 PM

I personally want to see professional athletes progress year after year... i want thrm to use steroids if that's what will make them better.

I have yet to find any studies that show steroids cause the damage that the media would have everyone believe. If someone can show me a study that proves their claim that steroids are evil, then i will concede...

want8 · 09-25-2006, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Überschwanz

Don't bet on it want8. Your liver is probably in worse shape than you think and you can't live without a liver.

So should I have some sort of testing done to be sure. How would I know if I have liver damage?

sikdogg · 09-25-2006, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Überschwanz

Don't bet on it want8. Your liver is probably in worse shape than you think and you can't live without a liver.

Liver problems are attributed to oral steroids because it's 17-alpha alkylated. This is needed to pass the digestive process. Most steroids are NOT 17-aa and people these days are very aware of oral steroid's hepatoxicity. Simple bloodwork today can readily tell you if you are suffering from liver stress.

want8 · 09-25-2006, 03:46 PM

I have yet to find any studies that show steroids cause the damage that the media would have everyone believe. If someone can show me a study that
proves their claim that steroids are evil, then i will concede...[/quote]

I tend to agree. If this were the case, then how and why would a doctor prescribe Testosterone injections like with my 14 year old son. The doctor has told us his body is not producing enough like many other people. So what are these people supposed to do?

sikdogg · 09-25-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Überschwanz

Absolutely not. Using steroids in sports isn't in what I would consider the spirit of true American athletic competition. Part of training to beat your opponent involves fighting against yourself and becoming better than you were. Steroids are a cheap shortcut.

Steroids can't make an average athlete great... an average baseball player taking steroids will never make it in the pros. Steroids give you an advantage in size/strength but athletics requires much more than that. You still need timing, eye-hand coordination, and alot of natural ability/genetics to make it in the pros. Steroids can only help those that have god given talents, everyone else will just be big/strong amateurs.

sikdogg · 09-25-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by want8

So should I have some sort of testing done to be sure. How would I know if I have liver damage?

The best indicator of liver problems is testing AST/ALT. ALT is the most common thing to look for in liver function, it is an enzyme that is only present in liver cells and it is only released when liver cells are damaged or dead. But that said, if you are an athlete and train hard regularly, liver values will be elevated. This is typical with all bodybuilders and atletes as the liver has to work more because heavy training WILL cause alot of tissue breakdown.

I donate blood on a fairly regular basis whether i'm on-cycle or not. The only time that by blood was ever rejected was when i donated blood a week after starting up in the gym. I was not on steroids at the time but was told the reason for my rejection was due to high liver values. During the course of our discussion, i mentioned that i just started working out agian and the tech told me that that was most likely the cause. Taking NSAIDs (asperins, ibuprofin, acetometaphine, etc...) will also do the same thing.

88man · 09-25-2006, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Überschwanz

Absolutely not. Using steroids in sports isn't in what I would consider the spirit of true American athletic competition. Part of training to beat your opponent involves fighting against yourself and becoming better than you were. Steroids are a cheap shortcut.

I totally agree about this Ube. I think that steroids are a cheap way to get to where you want, but a long term commitment if you want to keep what you have earned. When you make all the strength and muscle gains, your tendons are not growing as fast as your muscles are, and the end results are a NICE INJURY! Plus when you have this injury, training is out of the question until it heals. The result of no training, equals no gains. possibly even a loss of gains if your diet isint in check. Steroids in sports gives the guy who cant do it himself a way to be a weasel and give himself a shitty edge that dosent last! If you cant do it yourself and you need steroids to get ahead, then you'll never be better than anyone.