Exercise Trumps Diet for Weight Loss

sikdogg · 05-15-2006, 09:22 PM

This one caught me for a loop... i always thought that diet played a bigger role.

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Exercise Trumps Diet for Weight Loss

Active Monkeys Stay Lean, Sedentary Ones Get Fat -- No Matter What They Eat
By Daniel DeNoon
WebMD Medical News Reviewed By Ann Edmundson, MD
on Friday, April 14, 2006

April 14, 2006 -- Active monkeys stay lean, while couch-potato monkeys get fat -- no matter how much they eat.

The findings come from a research team led by Judy Cameron, PhD, senior scientist at Oregon National Primate Research Center and professor of behavioral neuroscience and obstetrics/gynecology at Oregon Health & Science University.

"Far and away the biggest predictor of weight gain was how active the monkeys were -- that overrode how much food they were eating," Cameron tells WebMD.

The study may explain why people who try to lose weight by dieting alone rarely succeed.

"These findings were surprising to us as scientists," Cameron says. "We always assumed food intake was the main control of body weight and that dieting was the best way to control this. From these results, you are forced to think how active you are is more important than how much you eat."

Cameron and colleagues report their findings in the early online edition of the American Journal of Physiology: Regulatory, Integrative and Comparative Physiology.

Exercise Trumps Calories

Cameron studied 18 middle-aged, female rhesus monkeys. All of the animals had their ovaries removed to simulate human menopause. Earlier studies show that such monkeys tend to gain weight, as do middle-aged women.

The researchers put the monkeys on a high-fat diet -- that is, the 35%-fat diet of most women in the Western world. They let the animals eat as much or as little as they liked. And they let them exercise in their cages as much or as little as they wanted.

Over a nine-month period, the researchers measured the monkeys' activity level using a measuring device they wore around their necks. They also kept careful track of the animals' weight, food intake, and metabolic rate.

Some animals ate a lot. Some did not. It didn't make any difference in the monkeys' weight.

Some animals were very active. Some weren't. The difference was remarkable: The most active monkeys were eight times more active than the most sedentary monkeys. It made a huge difference in how much the monkeys weighed.

"We suspected if you ate a lot of food you would be more likely to gain weight. But we did not find that," Cameron says. "Some individual monkeys that ate a large amount did gain a lot of weight, but others who ate a lot gained virtually no weight. Very active monkeys did not gain weight over time. Very sedentary monkeys did gain weight, even if they were not eating a lot of food."

In a new study that hasn't been published, Cameron's team put overweight, inactive monkeys on a strict diet. They didn't lose much weight.

"I don't think most people who try to diet will be surprised," Cameron says. "The body immediately tries to compensate for calories you are not taking in by dropping your metabolic rate and lowering your activity level. There was no way to get around the fact that activity matters a great deal. Altogether, our feeling is that activity is very, very important in controlling body weight."

Can Obese Humans Become Active?

Can Obese Humans Become Active?

A lot of studies show that obese people aren't as active as lean people are. Cameron's study now suggests that it isn't obesity that turns people into couch potatoes -- it's inactivity that makes people obese.

However, it may not be a simple thing for overweight or obese people to become more active. Cameron says it's possible to predict how active monkeys will be when they're only 1 week old.

"Why are some monkeys more active? You would think it was what situation they were living in," Cameron says. "But we looked at monkeys with acres to run around in and many playmates. You would expect them to be very active. And if you move them indoors with fewer playmates, they should not be as active. But that was not true. A sedentary monkey was just as sedentary, and an active monkey was just as active no matter the setting. And we find this remains true over time."

It remains to be seen whether human couch potatoes can switch to an active lifestyle. But Cameron's work may have put one myth to rest: It's not your metabolism.

People who gain or don't gain weight often point to their inherent metabolic rate as the culprit. For monkeys, at least, this isn't so. Monkeys' metabolic rates didn't vary much. And those with the highest metabolic rate were no more likely to gain or lose weight than those with the lowest metabolic rate.

SOURCES: Cameron, J.L. American Journal of Physiology: Regulatory, Integrative and Comparative Physiology, published online April 13, 2006. Judy Cameron, PhD, senior scientist, Oregon National Primate Research Center; and professor of behavioral neuroscience and obstetrics/gynecology, Oregon Health & Science University, Portland.

happy stud · 05-15-2006, 09:26 PM

Hell yea this is true. When your in the gym working your ass off you burn off alot of calories. But the key here is you have to really be working out hard not just fucking around while your staring at some pussy. This aint rocket science.

10 · 05-15-2006, 09:46 PM

I for one have a metabolism that doesn't quit. I'm constantly hungary. But, I do workout HARD. Hell, I even cut back on my cardio to get a little more size and I'm still hungary all the damn time!

happy stud · 05-15-2006, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 10

I for one have a metabolism that doesn't quit. I'm constantly hungary. But, I do workout HARD. Hell, I even cut back on my cardio to get a little more size and I'm still hungary all the damn time!

You need to change your diet and start eating more pussy.

10 · 05-15-2006, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by happy stud

You need to change your diet and start eating more pussy.

Man does not live by pussy alone..............

happy stud · 05-15-2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 10

Man does not live by pussy alone..............

Youve been away from pussy too long 10.

10 · 05-15-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by happy stud

Youve been away from pussy too long 10.

No, I haven't. Believe me, I do miss it! GOD DO I MISS IT! BUT, I also ackowledge other things in life that are important to. I'll get pussy again stud......I'm not worried about it.

happy stud · 05-15-2006, 09:57 PM

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No, I haven't. Believe me, I do miss it! GOD DO I MISS IT! BUT, I also ackowledge other things in life that are important to. I'll get pussy again stud......I'm not worried about it.

Just remember one damn thing 10. Going 7 days without pussy makes 1 weak.

themaninwhite · 08-16-2006, 10:44 PM

Sorry guys but this study is irrelevant to humans. Although monkies are similar to humans in most aspects, we cannot rely on monkey research for weight loss.

Best way of doing things, is to keep working your ass off in the gym, both resistance training and cardio, and increase your meals to 6-8 a day, but keeping the same amount of calories. Key is to also eat healthy.

The reason I attack the monkey article is that I wrote my thesis on human metabolism and ways to manipulate it. I am actually thrilled this site has added a fitness/health section. Hope to have great discussions with all of you soon.

sikdogg · 08-17-2006, 12:56 AM

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... The reason I attack the monkey article is that I wrote my thesis on human metabolism and ways to manipulate it....

So give us the scoop on how to up our metabolism... personally i've used clen/t3 and it worked pretty good.

10 · 08-17-2006, 04:24 AM

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So give us the scoop on how to up our metabolism... personally i've used clen/t3 and it worked pretty good.

What's clen/t3??

themaninwhite · 08-17-2006, 05:57 AM

I will reply with a detailed answer in the next few days.

I also have plenty of research articles if any of you are interested

want8 · 08-17-2006, 02:04 PM

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What's clen/t3??

What he said?

SonicCelt · 08-17-2006, 06:38 PM

clen/T3 = Clenbuterol & Cytomel......Duhhhh

It's stuff that helps you get cut, key word is HELPS.

sikdogg · 08-18-2006, 12:28 AM

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I will reply with a detailed answer in the next few days.

I also have plenty of research articles if any of you are interested

Bring it on... i enjoy reading research articles.

themaninwhite · 08-18-2006, 09:20 PM

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Bring it on... i enjoy reading research articles.

sik,

drop me your email addy and i can send you a few I used for my thesis.

Überschwanz · 08-18-2006, 09:56 PM

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sik,

drop me your email addy and i can send you a few I used for my thesis.

This is why we have the private messaging feature.

slickwillie · 08-23-2006, 04:11 AM

I'm going to write a book on how to drink as much alcohol as you want and do a shitload of pushups and pullups everyday and you'll be ripped in no time! That's pretty much what I do and I'm in great shape. I eat good food (home cookin) and can't stand fast food, although I'm forced to eat some of that shit when I travel, but I try my best to pack trail mixes and protein bars in my laptop bag?
Anyway, I have friends who are not just fat, but out of shape and go to the gym 5 days a week! Needless to say, they either don't know what the hell they're doing or are just there to check out the "scenery". Everyones metabolism is different, but if a dude who was 300pds worked out everyday, I don't care if his nickname was Grimmas from McDonalds, he'd eventually lose weight and become stronger.
Good article sik! I'm always looking at different cultures/people and seeing what everyone eats in comparison to how they look, but I know you can be what you eat, right?

happy stud · 08-23-2006, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by slickwillie

I'm going to write a book on how to drink as much alcohol as you want and do a shitload of pushups and pullups everyday and you'll be ripped in no time! That's pretty much what I do and I'm in great shape. I eat good food (home cookin) and can't stand fast food, although I'm forced to eat some of that shit when I travel, but I try my best to pack trail mixes and protein bars in my laptop bag?
Anyway, I have friends who are not just fat, but out of shape and go to the gym 5 days a week! Needless to say, they either don't know what the hell they're doing or are just there to check out the "scenery". Everyones metabolism is different, but if a dude who was 300pds worked out everyday, I don't care if his nickname was Grimmas from McDonalds, he'd eventually lose weight and become stronger.
Good article sik! I'm always looking at different cultures/people and seeing what everyone eats in comparison to how they look, but I know you can be what you eat, right?

Hey man how old are you? I agree that if you work out real hard you dont have to watch what you eat as much as if you didnt work out. But alot does depend on metabolism. And as a general rule the younger you are the faster youll burn off what you eat and so if your working out you definitely dont have to watch your diet as much. But some guys that might be in there 30s and 40s there damn metabolism has slowed down alot. Yea working out will help but they still gotta watch what they eat.

10 · 08-24-2006, 03:27 AM

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Hey man how old are you? I agree that if you work out real hard you dont have to watch what you eat as much as if you didnt work out. But alot does depend on metabolism. And as a general rule the younger you are the faster youll burn off what you eat and so if your working out you definitely dont have to watch your diet as much. But some guys that might be in there 30s and 40s there damn metabolism has slowed down alot. Yea working out will help but they still gotta watch what they eat.

Speaking as the hot, hung 35 year old man that I am, I don't consider myself in fabulous shape, BUT, I do hit the gym religiously, mixing weights and cardio to keep the heart healthy and the weight off and I think I've done well for myself. In fact, I would say that in light of the fact that my shitty job requires me to travel and be gone roughly 3 weeks out of every month, I am doing quite well.

I eat out way more than I have in my entire 35 years on earth. I try to watch what I eat when I'm dining out BUT, one fact remains, I continue to hit the gym as often as I can and I think I've done quite well.

As for fast metabolism, shit, I still burn through whatever I eat. By morning, I'm starving like I haven't eaten in weeks!!

slickwillie · 08-24-2006, 04:05 AM

Hey Stud, I'm not that old, but yea I agree that everyone should take what they eat into consideration. I have a neighbor who's over 300 pounds and their kids look the same (not by weight, but by looks) and I'm alot older than those kids and am in much better shape :)
I agree that everyone is different and if they work out and avoid the fast food and "fry daddy" at home (which rules), then they'll live a good, healthy life. I still want to sell that book about the pushups and beer thing! :)