If in doubt , please read and save time and money!!!

BUGS · 05-02-2002, 04:36 PM

This device is something truely special. It gives your penis one hell of a workout!! I know at first glance, the power-jelq looks like a waste of money, but it's far from that. For all of those out there who are having a hard time making their mind up of wheather they should invest in the power-jelq think about this: Surgery, a lot of money, pain and chance for scares and your penis to go back to it's original sizes or even smaller. Pills, do your really known what all those ingredients are, and 1 inch in 30 days, come on. Online natural penis enlargement member only websites, I purchased one 5 months ago, what a waste on $40.00. If your browse the internet and look at all the natural penis enlargement websites they all use the same pictures. And 4 inchs in length and width in 4 to 5 months impossible. Also if that is the fact why are they not advertising on tv if it's that good. Cut the bullshit, if you want results that you can feel quickly, give the power-jelq a try. Manuel jelqing has nothing on the power-jelq hands down!!!

shoesize12 · 08-11-2002, 01:49 PM

This guy is right.
I've had tremendous results with the P-J device.
I use it every other day and follow the workout with topical testosterone (Androgel) right on the PENIS ... ask your doctor ... the key is QOD - every OTHER day, it will not suppress your own production and TESTOSTERONE is a VasoDilator ... after you jelq your penis WILL GROW ... I've gone from 6.5 to 10 inches in 6 months.
Use the quiz at <a href="http://www.mytestosterone.com" target="_blank">http://www.mytestosterone.com</a>
and DEMAND the RX ...
good luck guyz.
KMR

Doc · 12-29-2002, 08:22 AM

hmmm, so thats you secret :)

AndroJelqer · 01-21-2003, 02:47 AM

shoesize12, you've been an inspiration to me as well.

It almost took an act of God, but I finally got an Rx for AndroGel. I first received and started using the PJ in late November 2002 and after reading your post, saw that it would be helpful to add AndroGel to the routine. To get it was a 2 month ordeal of office visits and blood tests and then my MD sent me to an endrocrinologist and she gave me a 30 day supply of the AndroGel (5g) which should last me a while.

Now that I've got it, can you please share with me your usage (quantity) of AndroGel after your Power-Jelq workout? Thanks in advance, any advice is appreciated. Since using the Power-Jelq device QOD for the past 2 months, I have very strong erections but have seen little (if any) gains in length and some slight gains in girth. I'm hoping this will give real results like those you've had. I will follow your instructions to use the AndroGel with the PJ QOD (every OTHER day) so as not to suppress my own testosterone production.

Thanks also for posting the medical research reports on the effects of testosterone on erectile tissue. I'll post periodically to keep you informed of whether this has improved my gains. Best regards.

Doc · 01-21-2003, 04:12 AM

How did you end up getting a perscription? How much is it?

AndroJelqer · 01-21-2003, 11:48 PM

I got the Rx because the lab tests for free and bound testosterone showed that my body's testosterone production was on the low side naturally... and I was really persistent at seeing the MD again and again. I also had with me a copy of the .pdf file of the AndroGel insert with me too, and the completed test that shoesize12 recommended. It probably helped that I wouldn't leave the endocrinologist's office until she caved. LOL I pretty much showed her that the AndroGel Rx was best for me and that I'd done my homework. It worked. "Symptoms" included fatigue, reduced libido and some ED. Other than that, my lab tests were within normal limits across the board.

Anyway, the cost to me was just a $15 copay, but a 30 day supply without insurance is about $155. You won't use all of it in 30 days if you're just doing a schlong application so it should last a good deal longer than that.

If all else fails, pharmacies across the border in Tijuana would probably have it... perhaps a road trip is in your future? ;)

Best regards.

rain · 02-26-2003, 05:44 AM

okay, i've a doctor's appointment next week... a yearly thing to keep tabs on my ciculation. (narrowed vein between ankle and heart) Plays hell with my heart, which is in good shape...

Anyrate, a couple of the links posted here for androgel didn't load very well and freeze up my computer...

I'd like to print off some stuff to take with me...

Any suggestions?

AndroJelqer · 02-28-2003, 07:48 AM

Stick with your story that you are experiencing some erectile dysfunction (ED), fatigue, and mood problems like being kinda grumpy. Your MD at first may think that you need antidepressants, but tell him your emotional state is fine, and redirect back to testosterone and request a blood test for free and bound testosterone levels. Do not mention that you are interested in it for PE purposes as it is contraindicated for this in bold print in the patient insert. A friend showed me that there was a three page advertisement in Time magazine recently for AndroGel, so it's gone mainstream in a big way.

I've now been using it as shoesize12 suggested applying about 1-1.5g of AndroGel after a 20 minute Power Jelq session QOD (every OTHER day) with about a 1/2" gain in length and girth in the last month. I've estimated using it this way, I can make a 30-day supply of AndroGel 50mg last about 6 MONTHS. So far, so good. Going from 5.5 to 6" in 1 month might not make me hung, but it is tangible success, and that kind of tissue growth is lightning speed in biological terms. Honestly, I could stop here and be perfectly satisfied, but I think I'll continue this method and check it out after each 1/2" gain. I hope the gains continue, we'll see.

The other morning I had the 'ole morning wood and looked down and went DAMN, my dick is really getting big now. My girlfriend now grabs my erection and loves it, says it's irresistable, what guy wouldn't love that! Recently, for the first time in my life, I actually "bottomed out" on her doggie style by hitting her cervix and she was like wow, you're hitting pretty deep in there. Makes me wonder if my goals of about 8" are indeed desirable or if it would be too much in reality.

Don't forget that after you get the gains, you'll have them for the rest of your life so be sure you have something that is consistent with sexual reality. In my opinion, many guys do P/E to compensate for emotional problems stemming from feelings of inadequacy in areas other than sexuality, so assess yourself for those thoughts. I've listened to LoveLine on the radio for years and every girl who's called the program about her boyfriend/husband's big penis was having problems because it HURT and was unplesant. As one gets gains in P/E, you have to become aware that you may need a different sexual technique with a bigger penis than with a smaller one. The key is to be sensitive to your lover's needs.

Anyway, this may help. Here is the checklist from androgel.com:

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Patient Checklist — Could You Have Low Testosterone?

Instructions

Men who answer "yes" to questions 1 or 7, or "yes" to three or more questions total, may be a candidate for testosterone replacement therapy and should have their testosterone levels checked by a physician. Please consult with your physician for diagnosis and treatment. [Androgen Deficiency in Aging Men Questionnaire, John Morley, M.D., Saint Louis University School of Medicine, June 1997]

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Please print out the checklist, complete and share the results with your doctor.

If you answer "yes" to question 1 or 7 or at least three of the other questions, you might have low testosterone levels.

Choose the responses below that best describe how you have been feeling.

1. Do you have a decrease in libido (sex drive)?
Yes No

2. Do you have a lack of energy?
Yes No

3. Do you have a decrease in strength and/or endurance?
Yes No

4. Have you lost height?
Yes No

5. Have you noticed a decreased "enjoyment of life?"
Yes No

6. Are you sad and/or grumpy?
Yes No

7. Are your erections less strong?
Yes No

8. Have you noticed a recent deterioration in your ability to play sports?
Yes No

9. Are you falling asleep after dinner?
Yes No

10. Has there been a recent deterioration in your work performance?
Yes No

Dingis · 02-28-2003, 08:06 AM

how much is 1-1.5g?

AndroJelqer · 02-28-2003, 10:44 PM

Each packet contains 5g, so 1 gram is about 20% of it. Using it every other day allows each packet to last about 4-5 times or 8-10 days. I apply it by cutting the corner of the packet and making a narrow stripe down my freshly power jelqed penis, then smooth it around the entire shaft from base to tip and finish with a small blowdrier to get a quick dry. I then bend the cut corner of the packet over and clip it with a small black clip and this works great to save the rest.

ropegroper · 03-04-2003, 07:53 AM

Hi all,
new to this forum. Have been at Thunders for a month and learned a lot, but this site seems a bit more educated in regards to using the PJ device (no duh). Also, I am very interested in the thought of using androgel. I asked a question about testosterone cream at thunders and got a negative thought on the subject matter. Reading this forum has given me new incentive. I have no prblem getting the prescription, as I have a friend who is an MD, but I have a few questions regarding its usage.

1. after your J sessions, do you finish yourself off? I'm asking because I am wondering if the gel is applied after this.
2. What sort of lube are you using during J-ing? Do you wash your penis afterwrds and then apply the gel?

And yes, I purchased a PJ device about a month ago. I find that the pj device is great but I also find that I can apply more pressure throughout by manual J-ing. By forming the ok sign, one traps the blood better. There is no side pressure with the pj device, so the blood is free to travel backwards. With the ok grip the blood is completely prevented from travelling backwards.
Also, I too noticed that the instructional video speed of the jelq is not even close to the recommended three seconds. Is this on purpose? It would be more useful if the video/s showed what a real work-out looked like (not the whole thing! I'm not saying that) Really, I just want to see how to properly use the device.

Rob · 03-05-2003, 02:59 PM

ropegroper,

This is an active board, its just that not everyone uses Androgel.

Please do not post the same question in two different places. Duplicate posts can get you banned.

Thanks,

Rob

ropegroper · 03-05-2003, 08:13 PM

Truly sorry about that. I was just not getting any responses to the post so I thought that I would try to post it in a more general way and not at the end of a long discusion. I am new to this thing. I apologize if I broke the rules.

rain · 03-06-2003, 05:55 AM

AndroJelqer & Shoe-size 12, thanks...

Just back from a round trip of 185.6 miles to the nearest VA Hospital for a yearly check-up. Asked for androgel… Didn’t go too well…

He said it has side effects and was not sure he wanted to give it to me…

Told him, I was not taking my blood thinner as I should, “The combined effect of a herbal erection pill caused my forehead to bleed.” (true it was making my forehead bleed. I did not tell him the erection pill was for PE. I am no longer taking the PE pill… And back on the meds for my blood. Health is more important then a larger penis..)

Told him, I was tired a lot, grumpy and difficulty getting it up.

He gave me “Viagra” (mis-spelled?)

I insisted on being tested for low testosterone. And that I’d rather have androgel over Viagra because of energy levels and mood, plus the difficulty getting all the way up.

While holding my right nut, he said they had to stick a needle into one of my testicles to test for it.

I suggested a blood test instead… He checked a computer file and said, “Okay, we’ll draw blood instead.” So, off I went for a fourth vile of blood from my arm.. (ouch this one hurt a lot more the earlier ones…

Next appointment is in six months… What a long wait… I’ll call them next week and see if they’ve gotten the test results… He doesn’t sound like he wanted to prescribe it for me…

Yeah, I know there’s no real reason other then I’d like a little more…

I’m at 8 by 5.50…

Well, if nothing happens next week, I may resort to searching overseas internet websites... Hey on the upside I'm getting Viagra!

AndroJelqer · 03-06-2003, 05:59 AM

To PJ, I use an almond oil based massage oil because it doesn't clog pores like mineral oil does. After PJing, I wash with soap and water or shower before applying the AndroGel as I don't want any barrier between my skin and the medication. Sometimes I will finish off with a few drops of jojoba oil because it has an excellent profile, much like natural skin oil. When the jojoba oil has penetrated completely, I can rest assured the AndroGel has as well. More info on jojoba oil can be found here:

http://www.purcelljojoba.com/Whatis.html

goingstrongat forty · 03-08-2003, 11:10 AM

Hey Fellows,

For the past few weeks I have included taken 500 mg Lysine and 500 mg L-Arginine. Now after much debate and research I'm adding Androgel to my routine. I'm truly hoping that this will jump start my gains because I've became really frustrated with my bibhanger and trying to make the necessary adjustments only to continue to experience discomfort and discoloration to the point of bruising. Maybe I'll give hanging another try on down the road. Who knows?

Goingstrong-

miketakk · 03-18-2003, 05:48 PM

Hi Guys
What is RX? and how you use it? what is ANDROGEL?
Cheers!

goingstrongat forty · 03-18-2003, 11:09 PM

Miketakk,
To answer your 3 questions:
1. RX is shorthand for perscription.
2. There is nothing to use.
3. Androgel is a hormone supplement. Natures version of this is made in our bodies in the form of testosterone in men and estrogen in women. Weightlifters and bodybuilders use this as a booster for gains by applying a small amount on their abdomen, shoulders and underside of the arms. Also, it is used as a treatment for men who have low levels of testosterone. It helps to supply greater amount of blood flow to the penis. Some, including myself use it as a way to increase blood flow either after or before a workout. This is a perscription drug and not sold over the counter.
I hope this answers your questions to your satisfaction. If I can be of further assistance, I will do my best to help.

Goingstrong-

miketakk · 03-19-2003, 08:31 AM

Hi and thank you for your reply

is it helpfull to use ANDROGEL in my PE?, have you used it in your PE?
did you see any side effect from using it in your PE?

THANK YOU AGAIN

goingstrongat forty · 03-19-2003, 09:37 AM

I use it in my workout. I have noticed some difference, inparticularly the way it hangs and it is thicker. I'm not going to measure until latter part of April to really see if Androgel has made a difference but I believe it will help me gain. Remember, you have to have a doctors perscription in order to get it. There have been no side effects.

Goingstrong-

miketakk · 03-19-2003, 12:05 PM

THANK YOU AGAIN

THE PRESCRIPTION IS NOT A PROBLEM AS MY UNCLE IS A DOCTOR.
I THINK I WILL TRY IT AND LET YOU KNOW ALSO.

CHEERS!

Rob · 03-19-2003, 04:24 PM

I didn't prune any posts, and I don't think anyone else has permission to do so.

You can see all of your posts at:

http://www.betterman.com/search.php?...&searchid=1072

Are you sure that it wasn't a different thread?

miketakk · 03-19-2003, 08:02 PM

thank you

Rob · 03-19-2003, 10:31 PM

Testrogel is not the same as Androgel!

Testrogel attempts to boost testosterone, while Androgel is testosterone.

Androgel is much more effective, and harder to obtain.

rain · 09-10-2003, 04:12 AM

Received an email notifaction that advised the following:

"(deleted name) has just replied to a thread you have subscribed to
entitled - If in doubt , please read and save time and money!!! - in the
Power-Jelq Discussion forum of BetterMan.com: Penis Enlargement & Male Improvement Community."

The message was dated for 09-09-2003, however nothing was here. Maybe, he changed his mind on the post and deleted it?

rain...

Rob · 09-10-2003, 02:51 PM

I was trying to upgrade the forum and messed some things up. I had to restore it from Monday night's backup. So, some posts were lost. Sorry about that.

rain · 09-11-2003, 05:05 AM

Rob,

Thanks for the reply. Things happen sometimes, and posts get lost. Not a problem..

rain...

rain · 09-23-2003, 05:32 AM

AndroJelqer & Goingstrong,

Hey, quick hello... Been awhile since I posted in this forms. Back up to the VA Hospital, again. (2 hour drive one-way) Another check-up.

AndroJelqer,

This time printed your Q & A page and taking it with me. Not holding my breath.

Wish me luck,

rain...

AndroJelqer · 09-23-2003, 08:01 AM

Good luck with the questionnaire, it's the same one as on the AndroGel website at androgel.com. I hope you are able to get the RX, and the bottom line is that either you have low T or you don't. If your MD or endocrinologist is cool like mine was, you may just get it. I wasn't clinically low, but so close to it that she gave me the RX anyway. The more information you have, the better prepared to make the case that this is something you need.

I've started back with the AndroGel and expect to continue thru the end of the year. My routine hasn't changed since I last posted: day one, PJ 15-20 mins then shower and AndroGel for 24 hrs, and the next day stretch with the Max X-tender. Alternate days like this over time and we'll see what happens as this is a marathon and not a sprint.

Regardless of the debate that's gone on recently AndroGel does work for PE, there's absolutely no question about it. Topical testosterone does make the penis grow after puberty. The only question now is how to use it most effacaciously? My growth with PJing and AndroGel was about 1/4" per month until June, and then gains just stopped cold. I'm hoping that after a month break that it'll resume. I'll keep the board posted on my progress thread. I was thinking about what things will be like in a decade if one is consistent with PE in general?

Best of luck to you rain.