JonBenet's Killer?

jennifer · 08-20-2006, 08:28 PM

Do you guys think John Mark Karr killed JonBenet Ramsey or do you think this is a hoax?

Überschwanz · 08-20-2006, 10:06 PM

I don't know, but I am inclined to believe he is telling the truth. The reason I say this is that despite what many so-called experts are saying in the media, there really are not very many inconsistencies in his story and those that are there are not difficult to explain away.

The first problem with his story was that the Thai police said he drugged JonBenet. This mistake was corrected by the police less than 24 hours after he supposedly said it. Apparently there was some mistranslation or something like that from what I've read.

Another supposed inconsistency with his story is that he said she died by accident. Everybody in the media is jumping on this saying that she was strangled and obviously this can't be an accident. It seems to me that a lot of people are not thinking on his wavelength. Just because he may have strangled her doesn't mean that he's lying when he says she died accidentally. It seems that nobody on TV realizes just how common sexual asphyxiation deaths are. I think he may have been acting out some sexual fantasy or he was trying to get her to shut up and he strangled her too hard and crushed her windpipe.

Additionally, his yearbook signature with the quote "I Shall Be The Conqueror" and the signature at the end of the ransom note S.B.T.C. seems like a pretty big coincidence if he has no connection to the case.

People ask the question, "Why was there a ransom note if she was killed?" This is consistent with his statement that it was an accident because if she died accidentally, he probably panicked and wanted to hide the body in the basement and throw off the investigation long enough for him to slip out of the city. This type of thing isn't unheard of in accidental deaths. John Mark Karr also seems so obsessed with the Ramseys in general that it's not difficult to believe he may have been going through their garbage long before the murder and found something with John Ramsey's bonus written on it.

The Ramseys admitted that they didn't have their alarm set and thus it's possible an intruder got into the house.

Their lack of cooperation with police after the murder is unfortunate, but not necessarily a sign of guilt. They consistently followed the advice of their lawyer and we all know that defense lawyers are incredibly shrewd when dealing with police. They do it to prevent their eventual defense at a trial from being more difficult than it has to be so this isn't surprising.

Karr's ex-wife says she can't remember him ever being away from the family around Christmas. This is by far the biggest inconsistency in his story, but until she produces some sort of proof that he was with her in Alabama (like a photograph) it will just be her word against his.

Ultimately the DNA will put most of these questions to rest.

88man · 08-20-2006, 11:01 PM

So, did the parents possibly pay him off, or what?? I mean why would you accept the blame on this for a large amount of money and then possibly go to the pen for a long, long time. You dont even get to have all the money you agreed to!

Überschwanz · 08-20-2006, 11:51 PM

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So, did the parents possibly pay him off, or what?? I mean why would you accept the blame on this for a large amount of money and then possibly go to the pen for a long, long time. You dont even get to have all the money you agreed to!

But that misses the point that the parents had no motive to kill their daughter. That sounds more like a really extreme conspiracy theory more than anything else.

happy stud · 08-21-2006, 01:14 AM

That skinny little bastard couldnt choke his own chicken much less a little girls. Hell no he didnt do it. Hes fucked up in the head. Those fuckers in Thailand wouldnt give him his sex change so now hes all depressed and wants to go to jail since hes got nothing to live for since he cant get it.

Überschwanz · 08-21-2006, 02:44 AM

I found a copy of the ransom note while doing an internet search. Whoever wrote it was really screwed up in the head and definitely knew at least the basics of the Ramseys' background (i.e. they lived in Georgia).

jiangtao · 08-21-2006, 05:54 AM

Whoever wrote the letter is obviously educated! Certainly not a foreign faction!! If you look at the words in the letter, they are that of an educated person . Johnny Shitass from any street USA would not use the words:
faction,posession,adequate,instruct,monitor,execut ion,beheaded,tampered,
scanned,electronic devices,and scrutiny. Does anyone know of this guy's education? I think I read that he was once a teacher?

Überschwanz · 08-21-2006, 06:07 AM

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I think I read that he was once a teacher?

He tried but he got fired every time he got a job.

sikdogg · 08-21-2006, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Überschwanz

...The reason I say this is that despite what many so-called experts are saying in the media, there really are not very many inconsistencies in his story and those that are there are not difficult to explain away....

I don't know... he claims he picked her up from shcool on the day she was killed but she died during Christmas vacation and didn't go to school... Karr's ex-wife also claimed that they wereout of state her during the time of the murder and has airline records to prove her claims...

jiangtao · 08-21-2006, 07:05 AM

Jon Benet was working on a school play for X-mas?? [after all she was a child model] Ex-wife defending him because she still needs him?? [he missed the plane,but still has the ticket??] I remember back in the day when this happened I was studying criminal justice and my teacher was a 28 year FBI veteran agent and we watched all the interviews and in one particular a question was asked to the parents that went something like the following : Do you beleive that people in your family can be ruled out as a major suspect? John Ramsey was nodding his head while Patsy was staring off into the distance shaking her's! They had obviously been coached on how to do the TV interview, but the mother was in lala land and seemed to be answering the question and not knowing of her actions. Who the hell knows? Hopefully some DNA evidence will show up and maybe prove a link.

Überschwanz · 08-21-2006, 04:23 PM

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I don't know... he claims he picked her up from shcool on the day she was killed but she died during Christmas vacation and didn't go to school... Karr's ex-wife also claimed that they wereout of state her during the time of the murder and has airline records to prove her claims...

I haven't heard about him picking her up from school.

I was quick to believe his ex-wife's claim when she initially made it, but since she's had nearly a week and produced no proof he was with her, I am beginning to doubt her story. Sometimes people go into denial when someone in their family (apparently) commits such a gruesome crime and they just hope against hope it's not true. Just look at Scott Peterson's parents. I think they knew all along that their son probably did it, but they couldn't come to grips with all the evidence as it was stacked against him.

Überschwanz · 08-21-2006, 04:25 PM

I found a website that has some of the autopsy photographs. They're far from the goriest photographs I've ever seen. Should I post the link?

SonicCelt · 08-21-2006, 06:14 PM

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I found a website that has some of the autopsy photographs. They're far from the goriest photographs I've ever seen. Should I post the link?

I sure don't need to see it

I get pissed off bad enough when people mess with kids.

sikdogg · 08-21-2006, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Überschwanz

I haven't heard about him picking her up from school.

I was quick to believe his ex-wife's claim when she initially made it, but since she's had nearly a week and produced no proof he was with her, I am beginning to doubt her story. Sometimes people go into denial when someone in their family (apparently) commits such a gruesome crime and they just hope against hope it's not true. Just look at Scott Peterson's parents. I think they knew all along that their son probably did it, but they couldn't come to grips with all the evidence as it was stacked against him.

Hey bro, I hear ya...

10 · 08-22-2006, 01:26 AM

Personally, I do think JMK is a sick, fucked up bastard and in my personal opinion, did in fact do this. Although, I do have many questions:

If he supposedly had sex with her before "accidentally" killing her, why weren't DNA samples used to link him to the murder?

Why has it taken 10 years to find this whack job?

I do believe he did it as he has confessed to knowing details about JonBenet's death and body that only the killer would obviously know.

If he's convicted, I hope he burns in hell for what he did to that sweet little girl!

Loki · 08-22-2006, 02:14 AM

knew more than they were will to say. They "to me" didn't act like people who had a child missing or killed. They just seemed to be too evasive.
I hope I'm wrong and the little fruitloop is the one who did it, but I'm just not too sure yet.

happy stud · 08-22-2006, 03:51 AM

Im telling ya'll this fucked up fucker is too fucked up to have killed her.

10 · 08-22-2006, 04:39 AM

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Im telling ya'll this fucked up fucker is too fucked up to have killed her.

Who knows........maybe you're right studly. Yes, he's incredibly fucked up.....no question. And, if he's simply using this old case to get himself some notoriety, then he's even more twisted than he already appears.

Überschwanz · 08-22-2006, 04:42 AM

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If he supposedly had sex with her before "accidentally" killing her, why weren't DNA samples used to link him to the murder?

The results aren't back yet. There was some blood from a non-Ramsey male on her underwear which was tested.

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Why has it taken 10 years to find this whack job?

Boulder's PD hardly ever has to deal with murders so they just didn't know what they were doing.

Überschwanz · 08-22-2006, 04:43 AM

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Im telling ya'll this fucked up fucker is too fucked up to have killed her.

Actually, his 'fuckuppedness' and detachment from normal people may make him the perfect suspect.

10 · 08-22-2006, 04:44 AM

Boulder's PD hardly ever has to deal with murders so they just didn't know what they were doing.

This is a weak argument. I find that hard to believe. We're talking about a little girl here. And no Ube, I'm not directing this at you, I'm just making my own comments...
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Überschwanz · 08-22-2006, 04:50 AM

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Boulder's PD hardly ever has to deal with murders so they just didn't know what they were doing.

This is a weak argument. I find that hard to believe. We're talking about a little girl here. And no Ube, I'm not directing this at you, I'm just making my own comments...
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What I'm saying is that despite having the training, their detectives had (and still have) very little real world experience dealing with such cases. It's amazing all of the basic mistakes they made like not separating the Ramseys from one another and only leaving one detective at the house to watch John, Patsy, all their friends (who should never have been in the house) and the evidence which nobody but a forensic specialist should have touched.

10 · 08-22-2006, 04:57 AM

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What I'm saying is that despite having the training, their detectives had (and still have) very little real world experience dealing with such cases. It's amazing all of the basic mistakes they made like not separating the Ramseys from one another and only leaving one detective at the house to watch John, Patsy, all their friends (who should never have been in the house) and the evidence which nobody but a forensic specialist should have touched.

So, what your saying is that the Boulder PD handled this in much the same way that the LAPD fucked up the OJ Simpson crime scene??

Überschwanz · 08-22-2006, 05:01 AM

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So, what your saying is that the Boulder PD handled this in much the same way that the LAPD fucked up the OJ Simpson crime scene??

That's exactly it.

jiangtao · 08-22-2006, 05:20 AM

Yeah, just like O.J.!!! When you have a murder the first people you look at is the immediate family/friends. I think the authorities spent all their time and investigations on the parents and no one else. You have to remember that every news agency in the States pounded the parents because there were no other leads really. After all the damn press, I wouldn't doubt if Patsy and John began to doubt each other. [hence my previous reply about the killer being within the family post] Now what the authorities have to deal with is the fact that this P.O.S has admitted and there isn't really any hard evidence to prove otherwise so the powers that be will want to put a cold case to rest whether or not the guy's full of BS or not.

10 · 08-22-2006, 05:25 AM

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Yeah, just like O.J.!!! When you have a murder the first people you look at is the immediate family/friends. I think the authorities spent all their time and investigations on the parents and no one else. You have to remember that every news agency in the States pounded the parents because there were no other leads really. After all the damn press, I wouldn't doubt if Patsy and John began to doubt each other. [hence my previous reply about the killer being within the family post] Now what the authorities have to deal with is the fact that this P.O.S has admitted and there isn't really any hard evidence to prove otherwise so the powers that be will want to put a cold case to rest whether or not the guy's full of BS or not.

Sadly jiangtao, I think you're absolutely right. The police are so anxious to get this case done and solved, even if this sick ass mother fucker didn't do it, he'll more than likely end up locked up even if he didn't do it. Unless of course, our US justice system acquits him.