Chemical treatment

Mazter · 08-29-2007, 08:52 PM

Hey guys!

Ok, soon we will have the chance to evaluate chemical PE. I have the whole setup ordered. I will just try to make a contact with a local urologist so that he can "supervise" me during the process, just in case something goes wrong.

So lets take a look at the setup:

PGE1 - Caverject - dose will be titrated starting from 1mcg
IGF LR3 - dose will be 10mcg

Basically this will work on the same principles as the chemical PE patent, where PGE1 is the main chemical.

I will inject this with a 1ml syringe and 27 gauge 2/4 inch needle. This will be done 3 times a week, by myself.

Once I get the titration done, I will make really clear pictures with measurements before and then every month thereafter.

I'm really excited about this, I'm hoping for an inch in length until christmas and maybe some girth

Anyway, I will post again as soon as I get the chemicals and tools. Should be no more than two weeks.

I'll try to make the progress reports as "clinical" as possible with exact hours of PM usage and routine day for day. Lets hope this will be some kind of "proof" for us.

Either my pecker will grow... or fall of

lets hope for the better

Mazter · 08-29-2007, 08:58 PM

Oops, sorry, this should be in the "Progress tracking". Please move this one.

JonPop · 08-29-2007, 09:16 PM

It's Ok where it is. Just start a tracking thread for yourself. Is this similar to the program that Sikdogg was going to start?

Mazter · 08-29-2007, 10:25 PM

Yes, actually I'm pretty sure it's exactly the same. If I remember correctly he did it by dr. Adams clinic in toronto with a Trimix chemical, in which one of the components is PGE1.

Though I'm not entirely sure if he used the IGF LR3 chemical as well, because I doubt dr. Adams would be able to offer this treatment as the IGF LR3 is still only meant for research use. Despite this many bodybuilders use this as a steroid for local growth. And I, together with other opinions, including dr. Adams opinion in his patent, believe that the IGF could be a very valuable addition as it promotes cellgrowth in the cells it comes in contact with.

So basically this should be the same as the chemical PE patent offered by dr. Adams. Though mind that going to him you are under his care and supervision, which is very valuable.

Unfortunately I neither have the patience, nor the money involved with going on "vacation" to Toronto for a whole month, after which I would have to continue on my own anyway.

Anyhow, I believe that with caution the treatment shouldn't be that difficult to perform on your own. After all, Caverject is used by many people around the world on almost daily basis, as a "cure" for ED.

BTW, what happened to Sikdogg ? I never saw any updates on any actual gains due to the treatment?

Loki · 08-29-2007, 10:35 PM

How much does this cost? And how did you come by this ?

Mazter · 08-29-2007, 10:45 PM

I'm paying about 180$ for 5 veils/20 mcg Caverject from a local candy provider

I'm hoping that each veil will cover a weeks treatment.

I'm hoping this lasts for about a month. So it's actually not that much cheaper than the treatment at dr. Adams, except that I will save the costs of about 2000$ going to toronto and staying there for a month.

The IGF LR3 is hella expensive, I think I payed about 200$ for a load that will suffice throughout the entire treatment. Due to the small quantity needed, this is not a bad cost.

I counted that the total costs of a 6 month treatment should be about 1200$.

Loki · 08-29-2007, 11:16 PM

more on the subject

http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/30002388/

Mazter · 08-29-2007, 11:30 PM

Yeh, though that is not the entire secret behind the treatment. The secret is that the PGE1 is "proven" to weaken the collagen as a "sideeffect"

Now that is where our benefits come handy, as the collagen weakens, you should be able to get very good results by stretching.

I'm not entirely sure what PE routine the subjects in the patent study had. But I can imagine that they followed dr. Adams suggestion of 30 min stretching per day, 15 min in the morning and 15 min in the evening.

Now I can only hope that the results for someone like me that averages 6 hours/day usage of the PM, the effects will be very good. Think, weakened collagen... all day stretch

... and regeneration.

Anyway, bedtime for me and my pecker

Mazter · 09-03-2007, 07:43 AM

Ok, so I have got my hands on all the ingredients needed. Tomorrow I'll be starting the treatment :)

Though, I've been recommended to use a 27 gauge needle, they do seem dang so thick, and come one... they even hurt when suck into my arm...

I'm thinking about ordering a set of 30 gauge needles right away...

So anyway, tomorrow I will start the titration process.

Cheers, and grow your dicks!

10 · 09-03-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mazter

Ok, so I have got my hands on all the ingredients needed. Tomorrow I'll be starting the treatment :)

Though, I've been recommended to use a 27 gauge needle, they do seem dang so thick, and come one... they even hurt when suck into my arm...

I'm thinking about ordering a set of 30 gauge needles right away...

So anyway, tomorrow I will start the titration process.

Cheers, and grow your dicks!

I'll take manual PE over anyone sticking a needle in my dick on any given day.......fuck that.

Mazter · 09-03-2007, 04:50 PM

Heh, ok, so I did an injection today.

I had a 1 mcg shot like 30 min ago. No erection, just a slight aching/burn at the injection site.

I guess I'll go up to 1.5 mcg in in two days.

I must say I did not like the feeling of sticking something in my dick, there was no pain... maybe just when piercing the skin and the knowledge that a needle just passed into the dick. I must admit I felt really anxious when doing it. I guess it will pass after a couple of shots.

It was defenitly easier talking about it than actually doing it

Anyway, I'll start a progress thread once I get the titration done.

10 · 09-03-2007, 09:00 PM

Hope it gives you the results you're looking for...............but I'd still take anything manual over needle injections any day of the week.

Mazter · 09-03-2007, 10:47 PM

damn, I'm getting a little cold feet after this first injectoin

I'm having a meeting with my urologist hopefully tomorrow.

You know, at your size I would also take manual over injections anytime anywhere.

What I'm a bit worried about is how jelquing could affect the injections. After all I'm making a little hole in the tunica, and when I force blood through the tunica... well that probably isn't good for the healing on the injection site. I think I should take a break with jelquing when doing injections?

But then again, when getting an erection, that would also put the same kind of stress on the tunice, so there shouldn't be any difference. Anyway, I'll speak to my urologist about taking caverject and I'll see what he says about it.

My reaction was like, "wtf did I just do... I put a needle into my dick!" ... then I had a really bad anxiety about this... so I'm not sure I will continue with this.

I mean, there were no side effects at all. Pretty much just a really bad anxiety that I would go so far as to stick a needle into my dick. I think I should reconsider this again...

Though I'm pretty much sure that the anxiety will dissappear after a couple injections.

10 · 09-03-2007, 11:08 PM

That's one reason I could never take drugs with a needle. I watch people do that shit on COPS and I flip. I can't handle it. I think I'm at the stage where I could actually have blood taken and not freak out anymore but sticking a needle into my dick? Never gonna happen.....

SonicCelt · 09-03-2007, 11:09 PM

I believe the principle behind the injections for PE is not the intensity but the duration. Remember you are creating a priapism and that in itself is enough stress after a few hours, I would say you definately do not need to jelq at least not yet.

10 · 09-03-2007, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SonicCelt

I believe the principle behind the injections for PE is not the intensity but the duration. Remember you are creating a priapism and that in itself is enough stress after a few hours, I would say you definately do not need to jelq at least not yet.

Wouldn't it be easier to just get and maintain a solid erection for a few hours? (provided of course you have the time).

rocky6535 · 09-03-2007, 11:20 PM

I've done that before (not really trying to do pe). That doesn't make you bigger. There's probably more to it than that.

SonicCelt · 09-04-2007, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by rocky6535

I've done that before (not really trying to do pe). That doesn't make you bigger. There's probably more to it than that.

Yes, that is the main idea behind it. If you can keep a full erection for almost 4 consecutive hours following a daily schedule without chemical assistance then you're something else rocky.

10 · 09-04-2007, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SonicCelt

Yes, that is the main idea behind it. If you can keep a full erection for almost 4 consecutive hours following a daily schedule without chemical assistance then you're something else rocky.

Wouldn't that him a great spokesperson for Cialis?

Mazter · 09-04-2007, 09:15 AM

Well, we'll see. Today is a new day, and I feel much better

Mazter · 09-04-2007, 11:36 AM

Well, I did my second injection today... fuck this, I just can't bare with the anxiety I get after injecting this. I did get a semierection from a dose of 2mcg, but hell I just can't bare with the anxiety. This ain't mentally good for me.

Damn, I never thought I would be this kind of wussy when it comes to needles. It's hard to explain... but today, just as yesterday, I got this anxiety like "what the hell am I doing...".

As I feel right now, I don't think I will continue with any more injections... despite wanting a big dick

I think I will thank myself next year, when I have a 6 NBP by natural exercises...

want8 · 09-04-2007, 03:15 PM

Dude, I really can't believe I am sitting here reading that someone is sticking a needle in there dick!!!!! I know you want it bigger, but fuck that!!

rocky6535 · 09-06-2007, 04:32 AM

Are you supposed to do the shots everyday?

italiananglo69 · 09-06-2007, 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mazter

Well, I did my second injection today... fuck this, I just can't bare with the anxiety I get after injecting this. I did get a semierection from a dose of 2mcg, but hell I just can't bare with the anxiety. This ain't mentally good for me.

Damn, I never thought I would be this kind of wussy when it comes to needles. It's hard to explain... but today, just as yesterday, I got this anxiety like "what the hell am I doing...".

As I feel right now, I don't think I will continue with any more injections... despite wanting a big dick

I think I will thank myself next year, when I have a 6 NBP by natural exercises...

Mazter you dont need to be a lab rat for our benefit. we dont want to see your dick turn black and fall off.

Loki · 09-06-2007, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mazter

Well, I did my second injection today... fuck this, I just can't bare with the anxiety I get after injecting this. I did get a semierection from a dose of 2mcg, but hell I just can't bare with the anxiety. This ain't mentally good for me.

Damn, I never thought I would be this kind of wussy when it comes to needles. It's hard to explain... but today, just as yesterday, I got this anxiety like "what the hell am I doing...".

As I feel right now, I don't think I will continue with any more injections... despite wanting a big dick

I think I will thank myself next year, when I have a 6 NBP by natural exercises...

Your not a wuss bud, nobody wants to stick a needle in their dick, I give you alot of credit for giving it a shot though "get it, shot

" It takes a real man to step up and say fuck this shit, you could have lied or just stop posting and we'd not know any different, but you steped up to the plate and was 100% honest, I take my hat off to you.

You want a bigger dick? You'll get it, it just takes time and a shitload of work, I think you have what it takes.

Best of luck to you my friend

want8 · 09-06-2007, 02:00 PM

Yeah and thank God you stopped doing that shit! It was making my dick hurt!

10 · 09-07-2007, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by want8

Yeah and thank God you stopped doing that shit! It was making my dick hurt!

Amen to that.

Betterman · 09-08-2007, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mazter

Hey guys!

Ok, soon we will have the chance to evaluate chemical PE. I have the whole setup ordered. I will just try to make a contact with a local urologist so that he can "supervise" me during the process, just in case something goes wrong.

So lets take a look at the setup:

PGE1 - Caverject - dose will be titrated starting from 1mcg
IGF LR3 - dose will be 10mcg

Basically this will work on the same principles as the chemical PE patent, where PGE1 is the main chemical.

I will inject this with a 1ml syringe and 27 gauge 2/4 inch needle. This will be done 3 times a week, by myself.

Once I get the titration done, I will make really clear pictures with measurements before and then every month thereafter.

I'm really excited about this, I'm hoping for an inch in length until christmas and maybe some girth

Anyway, I will post again as soon as I get the chemicals and tools. Should be no more than two weeks.

I'll try to make the progress reports as "clinical" as possible with exact hours of PM usage and routine day for day. Lets hope this will be some kind of "proof" for us.

Either my pecker will grow... or fall of

lets hope for the better

I'm sorry to say. That in my opinion. Cell growth takes TIME. I have never seen permanent growth with short or get large quick schemes. Even surgery will need 6 months to decide what the permanent gains are. Fella's whether you like it or not. PE takes alot of time and effort. If you can't do the time then you won't see the gains.

P.E. is not for everyone. Just like anything in life.

Mazter · 09-08-2007, 05:07 PM

meeh, it defenitely is for me

though sometimes you wish you had that unit you visualize

Betterman · 09-09-2007, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mazter

meeh, it defenitely is for me

though sometimes you wish you had that unit you visualize

I'm not nearly as large as some of the other members on the site. I started P.E. for enlargement to begin with. Now, since I've almost accomplished my goals. I do P.E. for good Penis health. Just like working out with weights, for good tone and running on my TreadClimber.

adamander · 10-17-2007, 04:44 PM

Mazter, make sure you insert the needle on the side of the corpora and never in the centre of the back, where there is an important vein

kushextender · 10-17-2007, 05:44 PM

Hey guys.

I am currently doing the injection of a pge-1 mix, and I definitely have similar feelings on the subject. Needles are fuckin crazy, no matter what there used for...

As far as sikdogg, I havent heard much from him either, and im pretty sure hes on other forums as well. Kinda makes you wonder... If anyone has heard from him, or others doing similar I would really like to know what happened, mostly regarding the IGF-1

The patent leaves a lot of questions. There is a whole array of ingredients, and we dont know for sure if igf-1 is even used. It is just on the list, to trick people, along with about 20 other "potentiators". I wouldnt mind introducing it to the regimen, but i've heard scary things about igf-1 as well....

I am looking for potaba, or p-aminobenzoate. If anyone has peyronie's to the slightest degree, they should be able to get some. I would gladly pay more than the asking price for it, if someone can get me the envules, or tablets.

:kush:

sikdogg · 10-17-2007, 09:51 PM

I ran my protocol for about two months some time ago and although i didn't measure, it looked bigger. I stopped for several reasons and recently started again.

Currently, my protocol is just PGE1 and DHT gel to get accustomed to the erections (painful) and will slowly add IGF-1 and Potaba in the coming months. I also do alot of uli's and jelqs while erect and sometimes add clamping. Talk about intense workouts. Let me tell you guys... this isn't an easy road to a bigger penis. After about an hour and a half, the erections become a little painful and as the erections go on... it hurts more. What i've learned is that the harder i work my penis with uli/jelqs/clamping, the more it hurts as time passes. When the erections finally subside, my penis feels pretty sore the whole day after. Since i'm looking for girth and no so much length, i think this will work well for me.

IGF-1 wasn't part of the original patent protocol but it has promise.

To ease injection anxiety... i use an auto injector called AutoJect2. It make injections real easy as once the syringe is loaded, i just push one button and the Autoject automatically pokes and injects the PGE1 in a matter of seconds. I feel no pain at all... The worst part of the whole experience is the popping sound that the Autoject makes when i press the button.

kushextender · 10-19-2007, 05:25 PM

Thanks for coming by this thread. Im on an endless search for the potaba. Do you have an online source you can pm me, or perhaps I can paypal funds for a decent amount? I really cant see going to a doctor to get a script for it. The pge-1 was challenging enough to get a script!

What is your thoughts on the dht gel? Are you using the andractim stuff?

Im currently doing a pge-1 injection every other day, and than I try to hang for 15-45 mins afterwards. Usually it take a couple hours after though, since I still have a semi for a while. Also it is quite painful to hang, but I try to endure it as long as possible.

JonPop · 10-19-2007, 05:42 PM

My advice on the hanging:
Don't inject first. You want to hang when you are totally flaccid. Hang, inject, do your girth work. You can easily rupture a blood vessel.