HELP!!! Dick Dont Work

Hostile 17 · 05-09-2008, 12:54 PM

Ok, I have been following the beginners routine but could be overstepping the boundries a bit and doing some advanced workouts because I feel as though I have been doing some of these exercises in the past before I even knew what a Kegel or Jelq was.

I started reading the forums back in February and started my routine in early March. I have a homemade Jelq Device (instructions from the forum) and the Dr. Kaplan pump with a 1 3/4 tube and 2" tube. The 1 3/4 is pretty tight but I use it during the first pump stage because some say tight tube is good for length. Oh, and I am using the SizePro enlargement capsules once a day in the morning. Started those about two weeks ago.

NOW... heres my delima. Last night, I met a chick and took her home to give this new dick a try. I havent measured yet but Im thinking it is about half an inch larger in girth (nice and hefty in my hand) and at least half an inch in length... BUT... LAST NIGHT THE DAMN THING DIDNT WANT TO WORK!!! I couldnt get a hard on to save my life. Then I hear the words every man will eventually hear, "Dont worry sweety, it happens to everyone sooner or later". FUKKKK!!! And this chick is no skank or hooker... shes a nice looker and very nice body. So the excitement was there... just the dick wasnt!

My question is... have I over trained? What gives? Even though Im 42, I used to wake to raging hard ons that I would effectionately call "Rolling over on the puppy" because it was like rolling over on a small animal!

Heres the routine:
4 days on, 2 days off. Stretching and warmup before all exercising.
AM:
Jelq device for 10 or 20 minutes
Hand jelq for 5 to 15 minutes
10 to 12 minutes in the 2" tube (while fixing breakfast) then 2 or 3 minutes of hand jelq to prevent the "Doughnut Effect"

PM:
Jelq device for 30 to 45 minutes
10 minutes in 1 3/4 tube
Hand jelq for 5 minutes
10 minutes in 2" tube
Hand jelq for 5 minutes

When Im done, I get a nice tingly feeling and decent heft that lasts for hours but looking back, I dont remember having a good "Hardon of Steel" like I am normally used to having.

What gives... please advise!

10 · 05-09-2008, 02:42 PM

Hey there Hostile 17:

First off brother, welcome aboard. I see your new around here so welcome!!

Now to your trouble. I can well imagine you were pissed off and embarassed as hell that you couldn't rise to the occasion last night. Would piss me off too!! I guess my first piece of advice would be don't psych yourself out. Psychologically, you could seriously fuck yourself up far worse as your going to now worry if this is going to repeat itself the next time around. So whatever you do, don't dwell on this.

As to your dick not working, hmmm, could've been that your dick just needed a rest. Seriously. Nothing more and nothing less. You've got a pretty stealthy routine. If I may ask what pumping pressure are you using? Sometimes, if you pump at too high a pressure point, that can damage your erection abilities.

My next suggestion would be to read up on the supplements found in the newbie routine and take those instead of these prosolution pills your taking. I took those for some time and the only thing they do is increase blood flow to the penis. The vitamins that are recommended in the newbie routine assist in the repair of cells and such torn down during a good PE routine, much the same as in weight lifting.

My personal bet brother is that your dick was just tired and needed a bit of a rest. Take the supplements outlined in the newbie routine and I think that should make a difference for you. Yeah, it does suck that you had the opportunity to get with a hot chick and bang her good BUT, life does move forward and if you look like the dude in your avatar, I'm sure you'll land yourself another hottie before long. And next time your out picking up chicks, find me a hottie too would ya? lol........

Hostile 17 · 05-09-2008, 02:55 PM

Let me expound a little bit on my background.

Physical Stats
5’8” tall
155lbs

Dick Stats (no current measurements. Can’t get a fukkin hard on!)
BPFL: 5
FG: 4
BPEL: 6.5
EG: 5.5

I recently lost about 40lbs. It took about 5 1/2 months and a lot of healthy eating and exercise. Did the Slim in 6 DVD’s then progressed to the P90X DVD’s. Got pretty damn good results too!
I have kept the weight off and actually added to my lean body mass through vitamins and supplements.

I eat chicken, turkey, tuna, pasta, whole grain breads. I drink fat free organic milk, v8 fusion and orange juice. I drink at least a gallon of water a day. I do Protein shakes. I take the Animal Pak vitamin pack daily which has about 11 different pills with different vitamin/mineral combinations. I do creatine ethel ester and nitric oxide boosters before a workout and I drink a complex amino acid recovery drink right after a workout... a body workout, not a jelq workout!

I am doing everything a bodybuilder would to do look good for the hunnies, but I think either the SizePro tabs are being effected by my other supplements or I am just being too aggressive during my jelq/pumping exercises.

Like many of us, something stupid happened with an ex-girlfriend that caused us to look at penis enlargement. My ex is only 25, met her when she was only 24 and the sex was great. She had been married twice and neither of her husband’s could give her an orgasm. I was only the second guy in her life to give her an orgasm and the first to do it during penetration. Both of her ex-husbands had gigantic cocks. We talked about it and she became very comfortable talking with me about it. She told me of several guys she had after the second divorce that were as huge as the others. I was actually amazed at how lucky she was to find so many big dicks, since they are SUPPOSED to be somewhat rare.

Anyways, she didn’t leave me because of the sex. She left me because I wouldn’t tell her I loved her! And that is the truth... she wouldn’t lie to me to spare my feelings.
She has a guy now that she can’t fit her hand around his dick but still has come back to me a couple times to get a good orgasm. I know her and I know her body... we are comfortable together.

I’m pretty sure she will be back and eventually I may be able to feel some love for her but while she is gone, I figured I would try to build my dick up into an impressive COCK... so she would have the good dick that can make her cum and the fat cock that she craves.

Thanks again for all the excellent advice I am about to recieve! You guys are great and provide an awesome service. As soon as I become a veteran, I will help all the newbies I can.
Thanks guys!

Hostile 17 · 05-09-2008, 03:04 PM

Thanks for the quick reply 10.

As for the pump pressure. I slowly pull it up to about 7 or 8 and do a few Kegels and as the pressure equalizes the needle will drop down to about 4 or 5 at which time I will pull it back up and stablize it at around 5 or 6. It doesnt hurt but I do feel a good little tug. Also while in the tube, I like to reach down into the pelvic area and find the ligs on the left and the right and take turns massaging them. I figure while Im there, might as well get a good lig stretch too!

I tend to agree with the TIRED scenario. But how will I gain if I dont persist. I kinda thought I would pull through the tiredness, kinda the same way you would if you added a different bicep routine to your workout. You would get a bigger burn until the muscle adapted. Guess, more is not better.

The girl from last night is coming back Saturday night, so I will DEFINITELY be taking a break from touching the little monster unless to take a piss! LOL... cant beat a girl willing to give a guy a second chance. What a trooper!

BTW, yes, the avatar IS me. Not bad for a 42 yr old dude. And to think, a year ago I was an overweight computer nerd... now I have the opportunity to bang some HOT chicks... and the DAMN GUN IS JAMMED!!!! LOL

thanks man

10 · 05-09-2008, 06:28 PM

Hostile 17:

Brother, first off, if you look like that after working out, eating right and hitting the gym................you've done damn good! Either that or you've got some impressive genes that maybe you don't know about. I've been hittin' the gym now for 17 long, hard years and I don't have a bod like that................granted I'm damn...........DAMN close but not quite there. I'm 37, 6'2'' and 193 lbs..........just to give you an idea.

As to this 25 year old "friend with benefits" you've got, she must be tiny as you're dead on that monster dicks are a true rarity. What she may consider HUGE may only in reality be a 6" by 5" dick..................which is about average. Women have a really bad sense of size judgement when it comes to cock size and I believe most of my PE brothers here would agree. Granted, a big dick is unmistakably a big dick.........period. Is this gal petite? That might be the difference.

As to your dick troubles.....................I personally think your pumping too hard...............you might find if you back it down to 5 hg that you might fare better. Also, you only want to pump for 10-15 minute sets............no more than that. As to you question about how do you gain if you don't persist? Well my friend, just like the gym, your body won't grow if you don't allow for sufficient rest. And my bet is that your really gung ho on PE and you really want the "monster" cock to give to your 25 year old fuck buddy so your busting your ass trying to build it as quick as you can. This is just my hunch and I say this because I was just like that when I first started this process 4 years ago and I had a similar problem to what you're experiencing about the same time frame into the program. I was way over zealous and really killing my dick. So, thanks to this site and my buddy JonPop, I got back on track, took some time off and I've honestly never had the problem again. And I'm proud to say that I do have a monster now..........or as it's been referred to a couple of times as a "choker"..........:)

You see hostile, your dick talks to you. Yours is telling you "hey, I'm tired pal.............you're beatin' the shit out of me". This is perhaps why you couldn't get a hard on last night...............again, this is strictly my opinion but I'm sure others would agee.

You'll get there hostile, trust me. You sound like a nice guy with alot going for you and you've certainly got the right attitude for this. Stay consistent, be positive, remained focused and don't let your mind play games with you and you'll do just fine my man.

Hostile 17 · 05-09-2008, 06:55 PM

I wish it was good genes. This is good ole fashion blood sweat and tears... and many many nights of not going out with the guys so I could dedicate myself to the workouts. Believe it or not... all this is from a rack of dumbells, a set of pushup bars and a chinup bar all worked through the P90X workout system, all out of my living room! Not one day in a public gym. I got awesome results my friend. You may wanna look into it. beachbody.com

My little "Friend with benefits"? No man, she is not exaggerating. I actually met her through a friend of mine and he had her before I did. He measures around 9ish and about 7 or more around. How do I know? He likes to double up on his women with a friend of ours and he said it was massive... plus bill likes to brag! DAMN, I would too... Hell, I would be dragging it out of its cage and showing it to everyone! LOL

She is not petite. She is skinny, 120lbs but she is 5'7" and has hands as big as mine. I can nearly fist her, so they have reamed her out pretty good. So when she says she cant fit her hand around all the cocks she has held lately... I believe her. And if you are wondering why the fascination... Im not gay but the thought of a huge cock slamming my girl just exites me to no end... so she would tell me about it while I was pounding her and this added to her orgasms. She said the freedom to speak without being judged was a freedom she has never had before.
I asked her to cup her new dudes balls lightly and let his dick lay on her forearm and she showed me about 3 inches short of the bend in her elbow! So Im guessing around 8.5 or more... even with fudge factor its over 7.5 with a girth of 6 or more.

Ok, enough making myself jealous... damn, I wanna monster cock. Which leads me to your next comment. YES, I am certain you are right. Overtraining is the culperit. You make good sense. I think I will take a few days, or maybe a week off. Let him rest and start back up a LOT slower. Maybe keep the pump outta the mix for a while and just hand jelq, adding the PJD a couple months down the road.

Question?
Would you suggest quitting all the body building suppliments and ONLY using the ones suggested by JonPop in the newbies guide? Im at a phase where stopping all the addtional Whey Proteins, Animal Pak vitamins and recovery drinks wont affect my physical gains any.

Thanks so much for helping get me back on the right track. I had an idea that I may be working him too hard but havent had to use him in about 3 weeks, so last night came as a HUGE shock.

congrats on the "Choker"... you inspire us all!!!

10 · 05-09-2008, 08:49 PM

Shit hostile, you've got a back side almost identical to mine. And I do understand about the blood, sweat and tears working out, although I do mine at a public gym............6 days per week, 2 hours per day. I tell people my workout schedule and they look at me and just say "shit bro, no wonder". I'm a HUGE fitness guy. And it's only been since my divorce that I've been able to really dedicate myself to it. When life stresses me out, I hit the weights.........plain and simple. And I've recently started really cutting back and phasing out alot of the junk food I used to eat. Can't get the bod I want if I'm pounding doritos and pizza now can I??

As for this whole monster cock thing.............well, some guys are just blessed at birth and some weren't. At this moment, I'm measuring about 7 1/4 BPEL by about 5.75"..................not John Holmes stuff but by penile standards, it's in the large category...............and that my friend fuckin' rocks! I built it myself with my hands, my jelq device and countless hours of jelqing, compression squeezes, pumping..............you name it, I've done it. And not to sound gay but when I get undressed and sport wood, I look in the mirror and think "this is what I'm talkin' about"......................good lookin' upper torso and a big dick! Now, if I could just find me a lady..............but that's a whole OTHER problem (my luck with women flat out sucks). And it's not gay to want a massive dick brother............we all want one and that's why we're all here. The thought of banging a chick and hearing her moan in ecstasy as I'm drillin' her with my massive meat pole turns me on like no other...........just need to find a willin' female which is a bigger problem than you might think.........;)

I give back to guys like you because this site and my PE brothers here have given me tons and tons of advice, tips and tremendous support along the way. I've got a great support system here, friends that care and I guarantee you brother, you stick around a while and get to know the many guys and gals on this forum, you'll be doing in a few years what I'm doing now.............it's called "paying it forward".

Just take a few days off, chill out and give the little dude a break. You'll be fine brother. You need anything or having any questions, feel free to pm me anytime. And if you don't mind, Sat. night while your banging this friend of yours, I'll be living vicariously through you ok? haha.

Jon · 05-09-2008, 09:23 PM

honestly, I would say if you can get hard at home when jerking off or waking up then there is no problem and its in your head.. Maybe you couldn't get it up cuz it was just a random who meant nothing to you.

If you cant get it up, I say take a long time off, until you can get it up and come back SLOW.

side note: Im going to try P90X. How was it?

Hostile 17 · 05-09-2008, 09:29 PM

10, yer my new role model. I sure hear ya when you talk about looking in the mirror. I do the same thing, only Im envisioning 8x6 in my future. Ya gotta say "HELL YEA, The hard work is finally paying off".

I have read some of the older posts where you were talking about your beginnings and your gains and I will say again, you inspire us all. Im starting out a little behind your baseline, but I know as soon as I get my pace figured out it will be smooth sailing. Thanks man.

Ok, back to supplements. Anyone think I should stop the Creatine/NOS/BCAA and stop the SizePro dick pills and just go with the baseline set by JonPop?
Super B complex
Multi-Vitamin
60 mg Zinc
500 mg L-Arginine capsule
500 mg L-Lysine capsule

My current supplements have ALL these ingredients plus more. But if you think less is more, then I will stop and try this simple cocktail.

I like the supplements I am currently taking but if anyone thinks they are hindering the effects of the SizePro or would get in the way of JonPops suggestion then I will cut back and go with whaterver is suggested.

Oh, and 10... if I get "Hostile" hard this Saturday, I will drive a few home for you and everyone on the boards! LOL

Hostile 17 · 05-09-2008, 09:38 PM

Jon,
Thanks for the insite. I too thought it could be in my head. The chick came on strong then threw on the brakes. I was getting a chub but not a raging boner. But when she acted like it wasnt gonna happen, I think my dick just got ADD on me and went to another happy place!
There is also the fact that my little 25 yr old fuck buddy has only been gone two or three weeks and I think I may have more feelings for her than I let myself believe. GODDAMN HEAD... CANT STOP THINKING AND JUST GET LAID!!!

Will take all the time necessary to allow the raging boner to return, then like you said... start SLOOOOOW.

Side Note: P90X was awesome. It took a lot of dedication, 7 days a week for 13 weeks, no less than 1 hour a day. Yoga is 1.5 and damn hard. My least favorite of all.
I got ready for P90X by doing the 6 week Slim in 6 program. It got me the endurance I knew I lacked.
Eating is a big part of the program. The first month you hafta eat around 2400 calroies (for my body weight anyways) and 50% of that hasta be protein. Doesnt sound hard until you start counting the grams... then you say SHIT, how can one man eat that much chicken and tuna!!! AARRRRGGGG. But you eventually settle in and you get the results they show in the infomercial. Finally, someone telling the truth on TV. I have all my progress pics on my website if anyone would be interested in seeing them. I guess this PM thing works right? Drop me a PM if you wanna see before and after.

SonicCelt · 05-09-2008, 09:45 PM

Stay with your current supplement routine. As far as the penis pills go, if you want to take them then take them but personally i wouldn't shell out any more cash on them, it would be better spent on protein or something usefull.

Hostile 17 · 05-09-2008, 09:51 PM

Sonic,

Now that I have paid for them, should I continue to use them? Paid $95 for a four month supply on ebay. Not bad if they work. Did some research and everything in them (or at least "Claimed") is all natural so it shouldnt have adverse reactions.
I was simply wondering if I could quite possibly be overdoing the supplement thing with all the bodybuilding stuff AND the penis poppers.
As you can see already, I have a tendency to overdo just about everything I endeavor *GRIN*
Thanks

10 · 05-09-2008, 09:54 PM

Hostile, thank you for the compliments. Like I said, it feels good to me personally to be able to give a little somethin' back to others. I'm glad my advice is workin' for you brother.

And I really do think you should take some time off, go with the supplements in JP's newbie routine and I guarantee you'll see some positive change.

And if this chick was sending you mixed signals, that may have also been part of the problem. I had a similar experience about a month and a half back. Went out with this chick 3 times...................smokin' body......tall, looked great but had the personality of a fuckin' dead bush. Seriously.

I'll cut this short as I need to head to the job. On our last date, she wanted to go back to her place and watch a movie. So, I'm thinkin' "right on, I'm gettin' laid" (typically, when invited back to your dates' place, sex is usually implied). Nope. We watched the movie........straight through. I tried putting my arms around, tried everything I could to put some moves on her and she sat on the couch next to me, arms crossed the whole night. Oh yeah, that sure made me hot and horny (sarcasm).

Anyway, as I was ready to leave (my dinner was hitting me pretty hard), she then wants to play hot pants and shoves her tongue down my throat.........I didn't mind it but I was having other prob's as well that needed to be addressed.

Needless to say, her personality was ultimately did it for me. She just couldn't losen up and have fun.

Now, enough of this. Give your dick some rest and then get back in the game strong!! You can do it brother..................YOU CAN DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jon · 05-09-2008, 10:50 PM

I find if the girl is cold, just lean back, like physically lean away from her. She will think something is up. Dont be pissy, just turn that shit around on her. She will come to you.

Again, try to watch some porn and see what happens. My guess is you will have no problems. I don't think the supplements will have an issue unless its steroids, which its not. The ONLY other thing is if you got some bad shit off of ebay. I doubt it but im just throwing it out there.

P90X- I want to start, but i work weird hours so that means I would have to get up at like 530 to do it or after a 12 hr work day. I don't like either option.

Send me a Pm of that link.

lifted · 05-13-2008, 08:24 AM

Too much aggressive PE.
Take a few days off see if the erection returns. I got to hand it to you. You have got yourself a rack of muscles.
Some big dicks are soft and pillowy. Women like hard cocks! Emphasize your firmness foremost before length and girth gains. If you can keep the cock at 100% erection or better gains will follow suit.

Don't let erection quality fail!

Hostile 17 · 05-13-2008, 02:33 PM

Eureka!!!
10 and Lifted are correct. I was overtraining. I woke up this morning around 3:45am to a GLORIOUS THING... a 100% throbbing stiff dick! I thought I had rolled over on the dog... but remembered "I don't have a dog"!!! LOL

OMG, I couldnt have been happier. After admiring the stiffness, I fell back asleep only to be awoken again about an hour later with either another raging hard-on or who knows... maybe the same one just trying to get my attention again to show off that he had been hard for an hour!!! LOL GO LITTLE MAN!!!

I dont think I am going to rush things. I believe I will give it another two or three days before starting slowly with the Newbie Routine again. I now know the meaning of PACE YOURSELF.

What a horrifying past 5 days. Looking at the little trouper and thinking I might never have my "Man of Steel" back... but a little twitch of life last night while surfing the internet gave me hope, then when EMHO woke me (Early Morning Hard On), I was very VERY relieved.

Boys, take it from me... overtraining will scare the willy's outta ya! Take it slow if you are just starting out. Or even if you are like me and THINK you are conditioned to take some advanced routines... 3 weeks is DEFINITELY NOT 6 weeks. Follow the lead of the veterans. They have been there before. Listen and learn and GROW!!!!

Thanks 10 for all your encouraging words. Good call Lifted. I am a fan of my stiff dick. Stiffness first, gottit!

StrokerAce69 · 05-13-2008, 02:47 PM

I am very glad to hear you have your"buddy" back. I too, have fallen into the trap of more is better at times, but you really do need to give your shit a rest. You definately look like you spend considerable time at the gym so I don`t need to expound on the problems with overtraining. I have been doing the newbie religiously for about twelve weeks. In that time I gained 1/2 inch in length and 1/8 in girth. I am now taking two weeks off and I will remeasure around the 24th and see where I am at. You have found the right people to talk to, listen to what they recommend and DONT over do it. Welcome to Betterman, and may you find what you are looking for!

Hostile 17 · 05-13-2008, 02:54 PM

Thanks Stroker. You guys are a well of knowledge. I am kinda glad I had my little "Incident". If it werent for that, I would have probably gone in the wrong direction, gotten no gains and given up. I think Im gonna do like you... stick to the newbie routine until there are no more gains possible, THEN change to a new routine. Just like in the gym... keep hitting the muscle at one angle until you see no new gains, then shock it up with a different routine.
I know the dick isnt a muscle, per se, but Its a body part and damned if this thing doesnt know how to adapt to different elements!

I REALLY hope this thread will help anyone who thinks they MIGHT be overtraining to rethink their methods and slow down and be patient.

Thanks again for all the encouragement. I will definitely be helping the newbies out when I get more knowledge under my belt.

10 · 05-13-2008, 08:43 PM

You'll get the knowledge grasshoppa..................you just stick with us and you'll get places ;)

BTW, nice avatar!! (Showoff LOL!!)

Hostile 17 · 05-15-2008, 08:05 PM

Things are looking up. Having some good erections without much effort. I am noticing that when I get rock hard, I am ultra sensitive now. Must be some healing process or something. Damn near blow a nut when I get hard and try to Kegel. Kinda nice feeling but Im sure next time I try to penetrate a chick, Im probably gonna be a minute man! LOL
I plan on starting back with the Newbie Routine Friday after work.
10 suggests that I do a 3/1 2/1 split. Seems reasonable, that way I will get my two days rest but not go for as long a stretch between breaks.
Wish me luck!

Hostile 17 · 05-19-2008, 09:02 PM

Ahhhh... hard-ons a plenty and Newbie Routine for 86 more days!

The rest did me good. Waking up a few times per night with nice raging hard-ons. Funny thing, when I wake up... I do believe I am doing involuntary Kegels! LOL That's cool... working out in my sleep! ha ha

Thanks for the support and information. I had myself scared senseless for a while there. Thought I had broke my dick permanently. You guys brought me back from the brink!

anybody182 · 05-20-2008, 05:55 AM

Glad to hear that hostile. Hi guys, im new, still skinny and with an average dick. Anyway i really have teh conviction to do this really well. Im already starting to work on my body, i wish i could be larger and stronger already but what the hell!! im still 20. Just wanted to tell you guys, about the ladies, you really have the equipment and the body but i think you have to learn the science (me too! specially me). I have already started to read david deangelo (double your dating), Robert Greene (The Art Of Seduction) and JD Fuentes (How to use the structure of female emotion). Just get one of them, trust me, buy them, download them from a torrent (if it is legal in your country of course), but get these guys or other experts. And 10, you might also want to get "the rules", written by women for women to get mr. right. A quick look will let you see the things from the other side of the battlefield, helping you to understand women. For example when they really like a guy they should really make him wait a lot for sex according to the book (its evil!!!, i know!!!). Well guys, this night i start to jelq so i better start. I hope i could be of any assistance.

lifted · 05-20-2008, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hostile 17

Ahhhh... hard-ons a plenty and Newbie Routine for 86 more days!

The rest did me good. Waking up a few times per night with nice raging hard-ons. Funny thing, when I wake up... I do believe I am doing involuntary Kegels! LOL That's cool... working out in my sleep! ha ha

Thanks for the support and information. I had myself scared senseless for a while there. Thought I had broke my dick permanently. You guys brought me back from the brink!

Up the argine to 3 grams per day and you should have some rock solid erections. Better yet Alpha Arginine Ketoglurate is even better and cheaper than arginine. It will also help pack on some big muscle as well.

Hostile 17 · 05-20-2008, 12:24 PM

Thanks Lifted... I will check into that. Anything to make it rock hard is always an advantage!
Anybody, that sounds like some good reading. Although reading is like a sleeping pill to me, I will check them out!