Pegasus

Well thank you all for your replies, however none of you attempeted to answer the question.
The question wasn't, what exercise is aerobic. It is what level of performance should be reasonable for an average 40 something.

I remember asking a question, when I was younger and doing a little crosstraining in the pool. I had done 20laps (1km) in 20 min and thought this was ok for a none swimmer. Well I got everyone and his dog, telling me how hopeless that was and I should do 20laps in under 10 min. Well it was only later I found out a world class swimmer would be having a good day to do this.

Anyway, I have come to the thought, if I can jog along for 20min a bit faster than I can now, I will be happy.
Btw everyone has assumed that I am fat and I am not --bald yes, middle aged yes, fat no.

happy stud

If hes fucking her on that damn treadmill for 15 minutes she is really doing fine.

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I could do 2 hours on the treadmill at 5-7 mph comfortably.

....but sex? Damn, i'm exhausted within 5 minutes

10

"Kids, get to bed now. The stroker....errr, uh, the Easter Bunny doesn't cum...........er, um, come unless your in bed"

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But once again, this is not a question that is easily answered without knowing the person. IMO, there is no ideal conditioning level nor physique/appearance for a person. It will depend on what their goals are.

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Maybe you should think your fucking the treadmill.

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LOL! What a great visual!

lifted

I can walk on a tredmill, 2.5 to 3 MPH on a 7-10% grade. Not bad for a 45 year old man. I have to stay in shape becuase im diabetic. This is the best way to keep blood sugar in control. The worse thing for a diabetic to do is sit on his or her ass all day long. I lift weights and my job is physical to. Tring to pare down on is my blood pressure though a bit way to high.

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You drink alot of coffee lifted? My blood pressure is a tad high too so I was told by the Doc to lay off all the coffee I drink. I was averaging a pot a day. Now, I'm down to 1 cup per day and that's it. My last reading I was 131 over 85, not bad but not ideal either.

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Pegasus

Well of course.
However I didn't have a goal at this time re cardio. So I was casting around asking opinions in order to formulate one.
For that matter there is no definite answers on this thread, only peoples thoughts on physique etc. Which is what I was asking about re cardio.
I have come to a similar thought to strocker. I have no interest in being an endurance athlete or doing large volumes of cardio. This is a basic level and very achievable, for that matter I can just about do it now. Lots of people have a lofty goal they never achieve. sometimes it pays to stop and think before seting a goal.

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Ok then, to go back to this question, I agree that the science and recommendations from the professionals leaves very much to be desired. Here in the US< this goes not only for youth fitness, and adult fitness, but also for the recommended dietary intake and food "pyramid" (which was changed but still is not great).

Maybe I can describe a scenario. If an adult male came to me for fitness training, had no goals nor any hobbies requiring fitness here is what I would do. I would formulate my own thoughts on where we could get his physical stature to be.

Barring any assessment red flags, I would start him on a weight training program, needs to be progressable, just like PE-ing. Increased muscle mass will lead to increased metabolism, though I feel that amount can be negligable. Assuming no previous fitness state, for the first two weeks he would do steady state cardio for 30 minutes, increasing tension and speed each workout.

From there, the cardio times would decrease as we would add intervals and HITT training to elicit an EPOC response and this actually increases not only speed but also endurance ability.

lifted

Idrink decaf now, but now and then i sneak the real thing. Now a pot a day will shrink up your dick you know. so with your curren size which is huge by the way. Just think how big that woodie of your would get if you just had only one cup per day. Why Renee would have to move to another zip code just to give you a blow job.

things that lower blood pressure.

ginkgo (cortisol blocker)
green tea (cortisol blocker, ACE inhibitor)
garlic (anit coagulate, lowers cholesterol)
cayenne (regulates blood pressure, will stop a heart attack)
dark chocalate (asodialotor)
polycosiol (lowers cholestoral better than statins doO
arginine (vsodialator NO stimulator)
glutamine (not sure how glutamine does it)
magnesium (elaxesthe heart muscle and arteries)
red wine (soothing effect, stress releaser)
pomaranate juice (lowers cholestrol)

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baybabe

Dont forget the Omega Three's and Soluble fiber (whole wheat) ~ lowers the bad LDL.

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lifted

Yep! Sex is good for the heart to.

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Pegasus

Um what is polycosiol, I am on statins and never found any natural product, effective to anything like the same extent.

Pegasus

Thank you for your reply.
If a client comes to you with no,or undefined goals, perhaps you should consider helping him or her, define what is possible and then what is wanted.

Of course imposing goals externally is possibly a way to go, but you run risks.
Personally I am happy with my muscle mass and metabolism.
My desires re cardio are modest and now well defined, I expect no problem formulating a training plan-or in carrying it out. I realise more is possible than what I want to achieve, but that was just the point. What should I be expecting of myself, as someone who just wants a little cardio, to work in with the rest of my life.
Stroker is still the only person who answered directly to the question and he came up with a similar answer to mine. The man belongs in mensa.

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Yes, yes it is. I'm just coming off a stint of 4 days in a row of hot sex. I never got laid this much when I was married to.........um, what the fuck was her name again??? lol

And yes lifted, I am down to 1 cup a day, which I'm drinking now as a matter of fact. And of that list you posted of things to lower blood pressure, I take most on that list. Since I've backed off the coffee, I have noticed I sleep better and I do get more, intense raging boners............

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OK, IMO, here is what I think a 40 year old should be able to do. Aside from the fact that the US has become relatively inactive, I have seen a lot of those 40+ have great conditioning ability.

Strength wise:
Should be able to chest press their body weight
Should be able to do at least 5 pull ups
Should be able to squat 1.5 times their body weight at least 8 times

Cardio wise:
Should be able to play pick up basketball for an hour
Should be able to 15 minutes of interval training on the bike at at least 30 seconds hard, 60 seconds easy 10 times
Should be able to be active with their children
I will refrain from proper heart rates and blood pressures.

lifted

Policosinal is like a statin and to some extent more effective due to the fact it does not have the side effects of a synthetic statin like Plavix.

: Does not cause erectile dysfunction or weight gain.
: Is safe to use with statins
: Unlike statins it actually increases energy levels.
: Only side effect is that it causes weight loss.

I just started taking policosinol to hellp lower my blood pressure, been on it 3 days. It seems to start taking effect in 3 days.


Lef.com is down now but i will get a link on policosinol tommarow.

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Pegasus

Very interesting, I will have to do some research. Please keep me informed of your experience with it.

Pegasus

Well here is a view of general fitness for the average man and well articulated. Any other views from the forum?

Must say I don't see full range squats very often, regardless of age or weight on the bar. For that matter, lots of teenagers can not keep their heels on the ground and squat all the way down without a weight.

UnderAve

Two root problems there
1) Poor teachers, usually sport coaches that run amock with their own programs without regard to learning the basics themselves

2) Muscle head atheltes/gym goers that have total disregard for their own safety anatomically and are only concerned with what is on the bar, but also do not take the time to teach themselves proper technique and progressional methods.

lifted

Yes I see this a lot both 1 and 2. I lift slow and deliberate. If I have to look wimpy doing so, well then i look wimpy. Take the momentum out and you save your joints and buld strong lean muscle. Perfect form all the time. Jerking the weights up and down only looks impressive to morons.

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Pegasus

Forgive me, but I believe that teenagers ,should have enough basic flexibility and strength, to do an unweighted squat without instruction or training. I have just tested my 8 year old and she can. It is not a complex athletic skill.
It speaks to our failings as a society. For god sake you cannot go to the toilet in most of asia if you can not do this.

UnderAve

Oh, I agree too, if you watch our youth, initially they start out with great mechanics without teaching or training, proper deadlift when picking up heavier objects, proper movement when learning to walk and run. Somewhere the system breaks down and they get lazy, unaware of their surroundings and bodies. Partly to blame is the parents and lack of after school and summer activities that have been replaced by video games and hanging out indoors, secondly is the break down of the school system and phys ed classes. there is no order in phys ed anymore, just grab a sport implement and play. Aside from that, technology has had an effect as well, but that goes without explanation.

Those that are in tune with what is going on, such as you and your 8 year old will prosper in the long run. Those that are too concerned with themselves and not their children will not.

baybabe

Ok wait a minute here, I just realized what you are all talking about. We need to add a poll to this one... How many people can squat all the way to the floor and keep your heals on the ground with your knee's in tight (Right?) and what is your age?

I dont take any special flexibility vitamins nor do I do yoga or regular stretching. I can do the squat, I can also lay on my stomach and pull both legs back and hold them against my butt. The massage therapist said that most people my age arent that flexible, at the time I was 25. I am 31 now and still having no problem.

Am I misunderstanding what the objective is? I know that women tend to be more flexible.

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When I was in Vietnam, I saw people squat for hours without moving.

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lifted

Guys have balls makes them less agile in certain things. i can still stick my toe up my nose.

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A contortionist Wow! .......... I can only imagine.

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I think i can still put my leg over my head. Can any of you dickheads do he over the shoulder bolder holder? LOLOLOLOL!

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Well, I can, and my clients without prior joint issues can, but this thread has turned from ideal body to movements and societal problems. As JP said, in Vietnam he saw the Nietnamiese always squatting down, they are "trained" (so to say) to do this. Here in America we have turned to a lazy soceity, even a lot of (especially high school) athletes are very restricted in movement and even sport skill.

As for the foot to butt move you can do, I really hope the massge therapist was misunderstanding something, because I have not seen anyone with normal knees not be able to have full knee flexion range.

Pegasus

Yes JP you see this a lot in asia, but it is rare in the west.

Pegasus

Polycosinal research was paid for by the maker, a bad sign.
Still interested in your experience.
Urge anyone taking statins to take q10, many of the side effects of this drug, appear to be caused by it knocking out this anti ox. Since taking q10 as well ,statins have worked well for me.

Pegasus

Back on thread, like the bod of australian actor Hugh Jackman in recent shots.