Ideal male body - Page 3

bozoballz · 11-21-2008, 05:17 PM

Whatever the ideal male bod is it's short lived.

I am terribly inflexible. I stretch everyday but I was afforded no genetic presents in that category either. And now I have this bad hip that has been a problem for over a year. That bastard is like a hip in a much older person. It is in constant pain, terribly stiff... oh woe is me.

baybabe · 11-21-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pegasus

Back on thread, like the bod of australian actor Hugh Jackman in recent shots.

OMG YES!!!!!!! Hugh Jackman mmm hmmm you got that right, thanks for getting us back on thread

GRX · 11-21-2008, 10:30 PM

I have the ideal male body... makes Hugh Jackman look girly.

This caused me problems for year because women would flock to me. It got so bad that I eventually couldn't leave my house. To overcome this, I've camouflaged my ideal male body with a healthy set of man-boobs & a beer belly that would make Homer Simpson proud! NOW I can leave the house and no women pay attention to me any more.

Pegasus · 11-22-2008, 12:29 AM

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OMG YES!!!!!!! Hugh Jackman mmm hmmm you got that right, thanks for getting us back on thread

It's good this slimmer style has it's fans, many men want to bulk up too much.

Pegasus · 11-23-2008, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by UnderAve

Well, I can, and my clients without prior joint issues can, but this thread has turned from ideal body to movements and societal problems. As JP said, in Vietnam he saw the Nietnamiese always squatting down, they are "trained" (so to say) to do this. Here in America we have turned to a lazy soceity, even a lot of (especially high school) athletes are very restricted in movement and even sport skill.

As for the foot to butt move you can do, I really hope the massge therapist was misunderstanding something, because I have not seen anyone with normal knees not be able to have full knee flexion range.

Foot to butt, if you are lying flat on your stomach, implies a greater than average flexibilty. If you are standing it is average imo.
Knee flexibilty is something I work on due to injuries from contact sports.

Betterman · 11-23-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bozoballz

Whatever the ideal male bod is it's short lived.

I am terribly inflexible. I stretch everyday but I was afforded no genetic presents in that category either. And now I have this bad hip that has been a problem for over a year. That bastard is like a hip in a much older person. It is in constant pain, terribly stiff... oh woe is me.

Have you tried the Fluidity: Fitness Evolved. Mi Lady has this, I use it on occassion. The routine is limited movement yet has dramatic tendon, lig and muscle benefits. FYI
It's great for staying flexible and toned.

bozoballz · 11-23-2008, 09:20 PM

Nope, never tried fluidity... but I wouldn't mind trying the fluidity girls on the infomercial.

I stretch everyday... well, almost everyday.

lifted · 11-24-2008, 02:53 AM

We are fearfully and wonderfully made in the image of God.

Pegasus · 04-21-2009, 07:01 AM

Back in the day, when bodybuilders tried to build bodies like Greek gods and not mutant aliens. They used a formula to give an idea of good proportions ,of course it had to be individualy adjusted.
From memory it went something like this.
Neck a little bigger than flexed arm, arm a little bigger than calf, thigh 1.5 times calf.
Now if I could just remember what chest was relative to thigh think it was 1.875 or something like that.
If you don't have these proporions, don't worry too much most don't.
It was only to give an idea of what bodyparts may be laging for the oldtime bodybuilders anyway.
Personaly I like some of the performance type ideas presented earlier. Takinng that line decathletes have the ideal body.

Big Al · 04-21-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pegasus

Back in the day, when bodybuilders tried to build bodies like Greek gods and not mutant aliens. They used a formula to give an idea of good proportions ,of course it had to be individualy adjusted.
From memory it went something like this.
Neck a little bigger than flexed arm, arm a little bigger than calf, thigh 1.5 times calf.
Now if I could just remember what chest was relative to thigh think it was 1.875 or something like that.
If you don't have these proporions, don't worry too much most don't.
It was only to give an idea of what bodyparts may be laging for the oldtime bodybuilders anyway.
Personaly I like some of the performance type ideas presented earlier. Takinng that line decathletes have the ideal body.

This is known as the "Grecian Ideal". If you're interested, here's a calculator that gives you these proprotions based on wrist size: Male Girth Calculator . The modern day lifter would no doubt find most of the recommended measurements a bit on the low side.

lifted · 04-21-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Al

This is known as the "Grecian Ideal". If you're interested, here's a calculator that gives you these proprotions based on wrist size: Male Girth Calculator . The modern day lifter would no doubt find most of the recommended measurements a bit on the low side.

Wrist 7.2" my waist should be about 33" im off by an inch. im 34" on a good day.
Chest however is 47 almost 48" Im high waisted so that sucks. Hips are 38" i guess thats OK. thighs 23". biceps 14" Shoulders 54". I wear a 42-44" shoulder T shirt but they are tight in the shoulders and chest baggy everywhere else. they eventually stretch to my form though. I guss im not to bad considering i use have these measurements.

waist 44" and that was a tight fit. really probably a 46" i weighed 275 lbs and im only 5'9"
now i weigh about 188 lbs.

Pegasus · 04-22-2009, 01:02 AM

Yes lifted, you are doing great, but if you are looking for a grecian ideal body, you need another inch or 2, on your legs and arms to match your chest.

Pegasus · 04-22-2009, 01:15 AM

Yes Al, to achieve these sort of measures, would have been a mighty thing pre roids.
It's all different now. I was telling a guy at work, how I had seen a guy walk into the gym, asking to start weights for the first time and to start roids. So he was asking for roids before he had touched a weight. My workmate said, he had done it the right way, the hard way ,the long way and trained a full 6 months before starting roids.

Big Al · 04-22-2009, 01:34 AM

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Yes Al, to achieve these sort of measures, would have been a mighty thing pre roids.
It's all different now. I was telling a guy at work, how I had seen a guy walk into the gym, asking to start weights for the first time and to start roids. So he was asking for roids before he had touched a weight. My workmate said, he had done it the right way, the hard way ,the long way and trained a full 6 months before starting roids.

Before there was bodybuilding there was "Physical Culture"- with the goal of attaining supreme health along with physical perfection. Those days seem to be all but gone. The priority of a lot of men lifting today is to get bigger and leaner with drugs- health be damned :(

Even in the days of Arnold steroids were not often used, and when they were they were usually taken precontest in low, monitored dosages. If you were to read the quantities of steriods, HGH, anti-estrogens, insulin, synthol, diuretics, etc. that a lot of the professional bodybuilders today take precompetition, you'd be truly shocked!

lifted · 04-22-2009, 01:41 AM

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Yes lifted, you are doing great, but if you are looking for a grecian ideal body, you need another inch or 2, on your legs and arms to match your chest.

My thighs might be bigger, i know my ass is getting bigger. which was a prob lem the glutes agtrophied from the illness i had a few years ago. It is not my goal to be the so called perfect body but to be happy with my life. I exercise to keep the blood sugar at bay and to ward off age related tweeks and tics.

I still got a bit of a tummy and smaller love handles but i can work with it. Im hoping an all free weight routine would speed up the leaness factor. Six pack here i come. I got a four pack trying to emerge now, that is exciting.

I find if i get less than 180 grams of good protein per day i start to get saggy.

10 · 04-22-2009, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by lifted

My thighs might be bigger, i know my ass is getting bigger. which was a prob lem the glutes agtrophied from the illness i had a few years ago. It is not my goal to be the so called perfect body but to be happy with my life. I exercise to keep the blood sugar at bay and to ward off age related tweeks and tics.

I still got a bit of a tummy and smaller love handles but i can work with it. Im hoping an all free weight routine would speed up the leaness factor. Six pack here i come. I got a four pack trying to emerge now, that is exciting.

I find if i get less than 180 grams of good protein per day i start to get saggy.

Shit, I gave up on the six pack years ago. My problem is I love food too damn much. I try and watch what I eat and I do cardio about 4 times per week with alot of weight training in there. I have a large fat pad over my abs which obviously limits my ability to have that awesome looking set of abs.

Pegasus · 04-22-2009, 02:28 AM

I agree Al, what surprises me though, is the multi drugs used by yobs just starting weights.
I saw Arnolds last comp in Sydney. As you say, the roids use then was in lower more monitered doses. I don't agree, with not often used, as powerlifters and bodybuilders commonly used them. It certainly hadn't spread to the common gym user like it has today.

BigHose · 04-22-2009, 02:49 AM

I've been a gym rat for about 14 years. All natural, health conscious, and well versed in what I do.
I remember reading an interview a few years ago that would make you sick. Here's a link of a copy of that interview.

Pro Bodybuilding, Competitive Bodybuilding The Truth About Bodybuilding And Steroids

The sad part is that these guys don't think long term about their health. And, young wanna-bees will resort to breaking the law and risking their lives to get big...Sad!!!!

lifted · 04-22-2009, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 10

Shit, I gave up on the six pack years ago. My problem is I love food too damn much. I try and watch what I eat and I do cardio about 4 times per week with alot of weight training in there. I have a large fat pad over my abs which obviously limits my ability to have that awesome looking set of abs.

It is not easy i'll tell you, if i get them i get them if i don't i wont cry for very long. I think the key to getting good abs is not doing crunches.

lifted · 04-22-2009, 02:58 AM

I find waht is helping me in the six pack department is abdominal breathing. Instead of breathing with your chest you take the air into your abdomen and slowly push it out your mouth. I have gotten in the habit of abdominal breathing about two m onths ago. This is when i started seeing some changes in the way my belly hangs. In that it does not hang taht much if not at all now. Much flatter in the morning. I have a little overhang at the end of the day but not as much as it use to be.

Pegasus · 04-22-2009, 03:01 AM

Power to you all.
Body of a greek god is one thing.
You are all in there giving it a go in a healthy way.
That says something.

UnderAve · 04-22-2009, 04:58 AM

Interesting, I'll play. My biggest problem is the tummy, as is for most males. But feel I am fit and play hard in every sporting event I participate in.

Anyways, 7.5 wrists. According ot the chart, I lack 4 inches in the chest, which is probably more due to my hard ot grow lats than the chest. Plus 2 on the waist, at 36. Minus 1 on the hips at 40. Smaller arms at 15.5 on the biceps, but I have really never concentrated on a bodybuilding type training routine and perform all multijoint movements, and have always been skinny anyhow so to say. Lacking 2 inches at the forearm but only a half and inch at the neck at 17.5. My legs have always been the "asset" of me, 26.25 inch at mid thigh, probably another 1.5 inch if I measured at the largest point. And I lack 1/2 inch at the calves. At 35 years old, I am not complaining at all.

Pegasus · 04-22-2009, 06:38 AM

I think the modern love, of core development, would allow some more waist.
A 36" waist seems ok at your height. But you say it is a problem?
Sounds like you have built a very functionl body UA.

UnderAve · 04-22-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pegasus

I think the modern love, of core development, would allow some more waist.
A 36" waist seems ok at your height. But you say it is a problem?
Sounds like you have built a very functionl body UA.

Yeah, at 6'2", i am happy with it, especially the gains I have made ove rthe past 2 years, maintaining a 205-210 body weight. Problem is the belly, measuring at the button. It is a killer, if I didn't have fat there I would probably be 8 or 9%, instaead I am about 17. I measure the hips at the femoral heads and the waist at the ASIS.

Pegasus · 04-22-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by UnderAve

Yeah, at 6'2", i am happy with it, especially the gains I have made ove rthe past 2 years, maintaining a 205-210 body weight. Problem is the belly, measuring at the button. It is a killer, if I didn't have fat there I would probably be 8 or 9%, instaead I am about 17. I measure the hips at the femoral heads and the waist at the ASIS.

Well ,we both know there is no way to accurately measure body fat %, while you are alive. However if you say you have ab fat then you do. I too have some ab fat at 220lb and 6ft 1in. You can still see my abs clear, but my intercostals are blured. If I got down lean my waist would still be 36". You do squat , dl and core exercisesall of which can thicken the waist.

lifted · 04-23-2009, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bozoballz

Whatever the ideal male bod is it's short lived.

I am terribly inflexible. I stretch everyday but I was afforded no genetic presents in that category either. And now I have this bad hip that has been a problem for over a year. That bastard is like a hip in a much older person. It is in constant pain, terribly stiff... oh woe is me.

Bad hip huh? hmm, take 3 grams of fish oil, 1000mg of calcium, 600mg of magnesium. If from taking this you show no signs of improvement with in a week go see a doctor.

lifted · 04-23-2009, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by UnderAve

Yeah, at 6'2", i am happy with it, especially the gains I have made ove rthe past 2 years, maintaining a 205-210 body weight. Problem is the belly, measuring at the button. It is a killer, if I didn't have fat there I would probably be 8 or 9%, instaead I am about 17. I measure the hips at the femoral heads and the waist at the ASIS.

You got to realize, the greek body thing is a myth really. If we were all Greek or of southern europe decent then this would apply apply.

At 6'2", a 36" waist is normal. Your over all bodyfat is more like 14% Remember those bf scales ylou stand on will record you between 5-8% points higher than you really are. They do not take into account the upper body above the waist line. They can't sens a current up that high. And the hand held bf measureing device records you aare aboput 6% points heavier than you are.
And caliper est are only accurate if ylou are not retainng water and most fitness instructors c alcualte it wron anyway.

Seriously trying to force a 6' man to obtains anything less than a 34" waist line is barbaric and cruel.

10 · 04-23-2009, 04:33 AM

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It is not easy i'll tell you, if i get them i get them if i don't i wont cry for very long. I think the key to getting good abs is not doing crunches.

I use the ab ball and sometimes do other exercises for my abs and some cardio (about 3-4 times per week) but other than that, I don't try to get that 6 pack anymore. If it happens, great, but at close to 40 years old, it's doubtful to happen for me.

Pegasus · 04-23-2009, 04:51 AM

Funny, I was as lean as a starving greyhound most of my life and way keen to gain weight. Might be part of the reason I am not so keen to lose weight now.

UnderAve · 04-23-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by lifted

You got to realize, the greek body thing is a myth really. If we were all Greek or of southern europe decent then this would apply apply.
Seriously trying to force a 6' man to obtains anything less than a 34" waist line is barbaric and cruel.

Would be nice if it was 14%, trust me, I am not worried about greeks haha, but this is an interesting subject with all the opinions and thoughts of standardization with calculation tools. I hear ya on the cruelty, I had a 34 inch waist most of my life until I got married..hmm..

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Funny, I was as lean as a starving greyhound most of my life and way keen to gain weight. Might be part of the reason I am not so keen to lose weight now.

I know exactly what my problem is, lack of sustained duration exercise everyday. Maybe when the kids get older and become more involved with sports I'll be able to pick it up again.

Pegasus · 04-23-2009, 04:43 PM

Yeah ,it doesn't get easier as you get older UA.
The proportions I gave earlier, allow you to get the basic look at a smaller size.
How to stay lean, is more a question than geting lean.
UA would geting leaner improve your performance?
This seems to be your main thing rather than looks.

UnderAve · 04-24-2009, 03:30 AM

Staying lean is definately the problem/issue. I think, unless the person is "naturally" lean so to say. We get married (don't read too far into that

), drink a few beers in colege, and lose activity levels. Enacting a training program for quick fat loss works, but there is no way that one can keep up with that higher protein diet, high intensity work for more than 6 weeks IMO. So a plan is needed for post goal attainment for long term lean-ness.

Would losing the fat allow me to be beeter on the field or rink? Not sure. But it would possibly make my wife horny all the time, or at least make me think that.

lifted · 04-24-2009, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by UnderAve

Staying lean is definately the problem/issue. I think, unless the person is "naturally" lean so to say. We get married (don't read too far into that

), drink a few beers in colege, and lose activity levels. Enacting a training program for quick fat loss works, but there is no way that one can keep up with that higher protein diet, high intensity work for more than 6 weeks IMO. So a plan is needed for post goal attainment for long term lean-ness.

Would losing the fat allow me to be beeter on the field or rink? Not sure. But it would possibly make my wife horny all the time, or at least make me think that.

If being a bean pole is your goal you got to do it for you not your wife. She probably thinks your just right anyway. If she is not horny give her ginkgo that usually does the trick, hehehehehe! .......... Lose the beer lose the belly!

Pegasus · 04-24-2009, 08:26 AM

NO, NO, not the beer.
My girl said she did not want me to gain any more muscle. So perhaps leaner is the way to go. Do love a drink though.

Pegasus · 04-25-2009, 05:37 PM

Got to thinking, that grecian thing told us what we already knew. Lifted knew his arms were behind his chest in development, UA knew his legs were stronger than his upper body. Still think it is a usefull tool though.