ClockWatcher's Log (lol)

Clockwatcher · 07-20-2008, 09:32 PM

First post here :) Why the "lol"? i just the the repeated pun, "log".

Well in the spirit of the site, and in particular this forum I thought I'd start a progress log to monitor my gains. Just started this stuff after finding thunders and PEGym.

I'm a dedicated kind of guy and hope to see some gains.

To begin, my newbie workout.

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2 days on - 1 day off

* 5 - mins hot sock
* 30 second stretches each way. Holding below the glans aiming for tension to be felt at the base. Not too strong though.(out, up, down, left, right)
* 10 secs - 30 secs of massage to get blood back in (slapping against thigh etc).
* 5 minutes of light intensity 5-10 second jelqs (40-60% erect - about the force that i wouldn't quite break an egg)
* warm down with hot sock / shower

I will gradually build up the length of time jelqing. I'm new to this so don't want to over do it. I also believe in the theory of JAI pulls, and so will do 10-15 of them every time i pee (afterwards).

I also understand the importance of Kegel's and will do 50-60 daily.

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My current stats (16/07/08) - Day 1

* BPEL : 6.25
* EG : 4

* FL : 4
* FG : 3.5

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I plan to continue this routine for the next 3 months, measuring every month, mid month.

Short Term goal - 15/10/08

* BPEL : 6.75
* EG : 4.75

* FL : 4.5
* FG : 3.75

Long Term goal

* BPEL : 8
* EG : 6

* FL : 6
* FG : 4.5

Fantasy goal

* BPEL : 10
* EG : 7

* FL : 7
* FG : 5

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I'm a good listener with broad shoulders. If at any time anyone notices anything wrong with my "workouts" or has some advice that could help me out I'm all ears.

I'm sure the concepts here are very similar to bodybuilding - "Everything works, Everything works for a while".

One thing, I've been reading about LOT, i used the examples over at thunders but i seem to be able to tug no matter where my willy is pointing. Not by great amounts but there is still some tugback. Does this mean i'm gonna find gains pretty much impossible?

Also i can't find any post of the correlations between BPSFL and how this can chow potential. I read somewhere from soemones post that there is some indicator and correlation between this measurement and what you can gain. Would anybody be kind enough to point me in the direction of a relavant topic/article for this please?

CUSP82 · 07-21-2008, 03:05 PM

I may be wrong and I am still kind of a newbie here but forget lot and bpel and nbpel and all of that stuff.Focus on what you are doing.You will with time get bigger,wider, have better erection quality and be generally happier with your unit than you are now.Don't ask how much time because it varies for everyone. This is exercise for your dick because it is the one area of the body that doesn't get exercise and really does need it. Pissing and screwing are not exercise! At my age of 53 in the last 5 1/2 months I've grown some in length, girth and have far better erection quality.Instead of looking at a ruler to see what is happening I think it's better if you just know it's improving, you see it improving.Does it really make a difference if you gained 1/2 or 3/4 of an inch bigger or is it better just to look down and know it. The gains will come as long as you stay faithful to the exercises but for me knowing that I am bigger and better is far more important than to measure if I gained here or there.I know I will get bigger as long as I keep at it. You will too!

Hairtrigger · 07-21-2008, 04:42 PM

Great post CUSP82! I've always wanted better EQ first and then let the GAINS begin. Someone that gets in the habit of measuring everyday will be in for a rude awakening. In three months I gained a total of .8"X.5" but only retained .5"X.25". Even after a good workout I can measure easily .25"X.25" bigger. However I know it will be gone the next day.

As long as I know I can get hard all the way out to the end and be able to please my woman as long as needed, I will be happy. That's all anyone actually needs, right?

Good to see you in here Clockwatcher, and good luck. HT.

Clockwatcher · 07-21-2008, 10:31 PM

I dunno.

I guess all that's right. And a fuller harder knob will be awesome, no doubt.

But I'm afraid to say I'm a fickle beat. Material things have and always will make me happy. Cars, money gadgets. I love it all.

I also love tail. I don't wanna brag but i get more than enough from the mrs. Getting a bird is not the factor here. She always wants it. I'd love to give her more and hit her in new ways.

Why do i do all that? cus its material, and i love it. Being bigger in my shoulders, my back, my legs makes me feel like i've achieved something through determination, like education but with something tangible to show for it.

I'm gonna treat this as my experiment. I wanna see if i can get bigger, for the sport of it. It's make me feel great and any perks that come from that then i'm exstatic.

To be fair i didn't know EQ was even a factor before i started reading up on this. Now i realise it's THE factor, and that's pretty awesome.

Rockstar! · 07-22-2008, 02:13 AM

Hey bro, welcome.

You said you believe in the theory of "Jai Pulls". Please explain. what are those and what's the theory behind them?

Thanks

Clockwatcher · 07-22-2008, 05:38 PM

i meant jai stretching. Theres articles and articles about it over at thunders.

effectively 2-3 second light (1/10) pulls throughout the day, in sets of 15.

also does anyone rate the use of devices such as the power jelq and this new fancy jelq gym (PENIS ENLARGEMENT - Power JELQ Gym) that i've seen?

I've no issue with manual wet jelqs atm, and will continue them for at least the next 3 months. Just wondered what people impressions of these products were?

Clockwatcher · 07-24-2008, 10:25 AM

well it seems the issue with my sack is all gone, plenty of oil seems to have sorted that out.

I've just completed my second 2 day set on my routine and all went fine.

Not having so much trouble keeping it up now, i find just having a little pron on in the bg with low/no sound does the job. I just take a glance over every so often and do a few kegels to get back up.

I still worry about squeezing too hard. I don't want to waste 3 months by now doing enough so am inclined to put enough pressure on to see some growth as a trap the blood. I wish somebody would come up with a half-decent analogy to measure the pressure required.

I do feel fuller walking around already. I make sure that i stick to only doing my set pe exercise in the morning but like to do 10-15 JAI stretches every time i use the loo or have my cock out. I think that helps keep me focused even on my off day.

I'm still very sceptical. I'm just the kind of hard gainer / unlucky sob that won't see anything from all of this. God love me to be unhappy about certain things and I'm sure cock size is one of them. Sure i really hope by the end of my 3 months i have some gains, even 1/2 inch length and some in girth would be enough to motivate me to continue, but y9ou know what? I very much doubt it. I'll continue on regardless though.

Another thing is people keep using numbers for EQ 9.5 10.5 etc etc. Where is the reference for what this actually means? i thought it was a score out of ten but when people say 10.5, 12.5 etc it kind of confuses me. How do I know how I scrore?

Hairtrigger · 07-24-2008, 01:58 PM

Every unit is different, you will need to find the balance of the amount of pressure to use. As everyone knows , I have a "weak dick", I can't use the same pressure as someone with greater conditioning such as JP. You will figure it out soon enough though with enough practice.

As far as being skeptical, I still believe all of the PE sites were set up just to lure me in to joining and the TV networks are broadcasting my PE efforts somewhere in the far east as a reality show. And at any time a Ashton Kutcher is gonna bust in and yell "WE GOT YOU ha ha ha ha". This could happen you know........

The EQ scale ranges from 0 -10. 0 is worst case, 10 is like in the you can't blink territory. Most of the time we will expand this number just as a form of exaggeration or just having fun.

alexbell · 07-24-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Clockwatcher

... and this new fancy jelq gym (PENIS ENLARGEMENT - Power JELQ Gym) that i've seen?

I saw this and was intrigued. I read a review on another forum where the guy was VERY unhappy with it...

JonPop · 07-24-2008, 04:00 PM

Dang. Ain't that a fancy gadget. I wonder if it comes with a DVD player?
Guess it was just a matter of time.
How long before someone comes out with a battery operated Jelq Device, where you just lie back and that thing does all the work for you? Oh, wait. Wasn't that called the "Accu Jack" or something like that? Hee

Clockwatcher · 07-24-2008, 06:04 PM

I think i'm just gonna stick with the manual method. I kind of actually really enjoy it.

It's like a really good knob massage, lol.

I love it how even after a week it feels healthier. No idea if any actually gains as such, but don't really care much. Right now just feeling plump and knowing there may be the answer to my preyers i'm quietly happy and intrigued.

Still very sceptical mind. Not tat i don't believe it didn't happen to you guys, its just I'm an unlucky SOB. That's how i ended up with my pecker in the first place i recon.

Whats worse is gentically I'm a big person, so i can't but help think there is an expectation.

Anyway this stuff is starting to become addictive, mainly reading about it there is soo many sites, forum rammed with info, all with different takes.

If all this is real, and i get it right, and i stick at it and get up to that 8" mark one day, I don't know what I'd do, it would be soo awesome. Haha even bigger and I'd have problems keeping it away i think. lol.

Anyway sweet you guys. Can't believe i go on a penis forum and talk to other penis tugging peeps. Didn't see that coming. :)

Clockwatcher · 07-27-2008, 06:07 PM

well today is the next rest day.

Not too much to report though, I've been doing my exercises. Only thing different is i'm going for some v-jelqs as recommended to me. It took me a while to understand the instruction but now i get it.

you cup your hand over the dick, so in essence ike a claw around each side and pull up. Cool stuff, gives me a good feeling.

I obviosuly havent measured yet (as there is probably nothing to measure) but i feel like my mans getting healthier and plumper. Who knows eh?

In my quest of research i found all the stuff about the jelq device,a nd how to make you own. the proper device does look good but i was unsure if i wanted to spend all that on canning tongs.

Instead i've opted for making my own. Got some tongs in the UK in a pack from lakeland, and For tubing i found this unique stuff.

Mobility Red Foam Tubing for easier gripping 9.5mm hole on eBay, also Other Mobility Equipment, Mobility Equipment, Mobility, Disability Medical, Health Beauty (end time 07-Aug-08 22:11:31 BST)

This stuff is £18 elsewhere on the net, closed cell and everything. It's a little narrower than the insulation foam but shouldnt require the tape to go over the rollers. Once the foam arrives I'll let you know how it goes (although i won't be using for at least 3 months.)

Clockwatcher · 08-10-2008, 01:12 AM

Ok week 3 is over, almost a month in now.

Been pretty religious with it. Only 1 days extra rest but had some negative PI's.

No gains yet except feeling harder. Jeez it sure is a lot of effort. I get from other posts though that even minor gains don't come till 3 months in.

I dont really enjoy the jelq action. I got this home made JD here and it's sooo tempting to use it, just cus it's so much easier. But no I'll proceed with the 3 month newbie manual routine and see what happens.

Not a firm believer yet though i must say :(

Clockwatcher · 08-11-2008, 08:36 AM

It was a good PE session today.

Mrs went to work early giving me lots of time to setup (although i think shes sussed me now. She's happy with me having two rice socks and a bottle of baby oil in the office. (I thinks she thinks i use it to masterbate, who cares?)

Did what has become my standard routine today. It's basically Jonpop's Newbie routine but with a bit of MOS's stretching.

I do 20 seconds of cranks then 30 seconds stretch between the cheecks left middle then right, kegeling while i do it.

Then another 20 seconds of cranks the other way and 30 seconds trectch down-down down-middle and down-right.

The 20 second cranks back the first way and 30 second strecthes left middle right, and finally 20 second cranks and 30 second strecth up-left, up-middle, up-right.

Then 10 mins of my 3 second kegel-jelqs and finish off with 5 mins of v-jelqs.

I warm up and down for 5 mins each way.

That's today over with. This week i'm gonna up my workout to 5 on 2 off.

Clockwatcher · 08-12-2008, 01:16 PM

Day 2 of 5 on.

Yeah a good session this morning.

Struggled to keep myself flaccid through stretches though and also had some spontanious erections both during the strutching and some during the jelqs.

The hardest thing i find about doing this is the lack of comparison so you're often left wondering if you're doing things right.

Am i gripping too hard? should i see more engorgement, am i too erect etc...

If only we could develope a device that measures grip pressure, and engorgement and erection levels, we'd then have a way of control. Atm because it's so early id don't really know if I'm doing it all right or wrong, am I just wasting my time?

It cetainly is a hard one. I'll just keep plodding onwards. Almost 1 month in now, 2 months to go before official re-measurement.

Clockwatcher · 08-16-2008, 12:46 AM

OK so we're 1 month into the routine.

I know i shouldn't have, but i did. I had to measure my unit, just to see if anything had gained.

Now i know Bone pressed isnt without flaws, It's certainly possible that i may have pushed harder/softer into fat pad but IT appears that I've added 1/4" in length erect, nothing in girth yet and havent really been able to measure flaccid either but it looks and feels a bit bigger all day. I'm actually really impressed even if it's just 3/16 in length over 1 month.

People tell me the first month is the worst for gains, and if this is an indicator i definately believe. I just wish it was a guarenteed 3/16 - 4/16 every month :)

Going to now, as planned increase standard jelq time up to 15 mins.

I feel my units health is awesome now and conditioning is going well.

Here's to the future of PE!

Gerhardt Willet · 08-16-2008, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Clockwatcher

OK so we're 1 month into the routine.

I know i shouldn't have, but i did. I had to measure my unit, just to see if anything had gained.

I feel my units health is awesome now and conditioning is going well.

Here's to the future of PE!

Clock...

Good going, man. I hardly believed the first time I measured an increase. Fun, huh?

Clockwatcher · 08-19-2008, 10:01 AM

Well I did as i said and upped my jelq time by 5 mins. definately gave a more intense workout which required an extra rest day the day after to break myself into it.

I'm finding as i go on my confidence in my exercise is becoming better. To begin with a though my unit was alot more delicate, now I feel a little happier putting it through its paces.

Had a great workout last night, nice thick engorgment throughout the jelq sessions and a nice stretch on the ligs.

For jelqing i really like to use a reverse ok, but without closing the gap, so like a side on u shape and i alternate between hands. By doing it reverse my other fingers dont get in my way and i can get right down to the base. Before each jelq a nice strong kegel ensures that theres plenty of bloody to push. Often when i get into it i can feel and see a wave/ripple being pushed down tot he head. Good times.

I wasn't content on the single one month measurement, thought it may have been a fluke and so pre-workout i got a stonker as before and tried to get the lagest number possible. I can hardly believe it. I have definately gained 1/4", on one measurement i actually got it to 5/16" improvement taking my up to the 6 1/2" BPEL mark.

That short term goal isn't looking too bad now and all I'm more than motivated to continue as often as possible.

I can't really have "rest days" becasue the mrs requires a lot of loving so what i plan to do is ensure that every day I've either done PE or had sex. It's working so far so as Jonpop say's "if it's working don't change anything".

I know I'm not leading the competition with my gains, but I'm not far behind :) LetitGrow may have a good amount on me now but I'm hoping my newbie gains will continue and will see me through to the finish :)

Only thing is I havent seen any Girth gains yet. Do they usually come later? Bear in mind I'm simply doing Jonpop's newbie routine atm for:

5 min warm up

Stretches
20 crank rotations + 30 seconds stretch left, down and right *
*I do this "set" behind the cheeks, down, out and up.

Jelqs
15 mins wet jelqs (overhand u grip)
5 mins v jelqs

5-10 mins warm down

Cheers all. You guys are changing my life!

Clockwatcher · 08-19-2008, 06:29 PM

I'm going to treat this thread not just as my progress log, but also as my journal to note down my thought on PE and anything that is running through my mind. Maybe to start discussion, maybe just as a sounding board but ether way, it's better to communication than to collect these thoughts up.

I've been giving a lot of thought to the recovery period. I've read and read and read more and I can't seem to find any correlation.

Some people go for 1 on1 off and have good results. Some go 2 on 1 off, some 3 on 1 off, some 5 on 2 off and some just don't take time off at all.

Now from what I've read all of these methods have success for different people in different amounts. I know people fear overtraining, but is it really possible, after all we're not relly dealing with a muscle here as such.

Now lets takethe bicep for example, the point of resting post workout is to let the tiny fibres of muscle that have been torn under the load of effectively a stretch to recover. The key point here is muscle tissue and the way it repairs. The tisue will bind backtogether, stronger and larger than before with in some cases a small amount of scar tissue. This is why the repair/recycle process is so important, to allow all those lovely Aminos to get at the tissue and bind it back stronger.

Training too quickly will not have allowed enough time for the fibre to be repaired and so you risk tissue scarring which or course is the end for that bit of muscle (very bad).

Now when it comes to the penis and these corpus tubes running down each side, they're not really muscle at all. They're just sacks filled with lots of small balloons. We push loads of blood into these balloons stretching them a little over their capacity over and over gradually stretching then to increase the capacity of volume of blood. (I think I'm right up to here?)

Now surely if i took a balloon and overfilled it with water 150 times 1 day, then the next then the next but then i took a day off and let the ballon rest unstretched empty, wouldn't on the very next day the balloon have regained some of its original elasticity and not have the full capacity that it did the day before?

Surely it would be better to consistently ensure that its always being over-filled, day in day out. Never allowing the balloon to even sit shrivelled with nothing forcing it to increase in maximum volume? Then day by day the balloons maximum volume would increase as it's never being given the oppertunity not to.

This comes to my next point about erections and masterbation. I can't help but think this whole 3 hour rule is rubbish. Surely if anything masterbation a little while after workout is beneficial? You'll be filling the cells with blood so that again they're forced to fill out, maybe with some additional volume thanks to the cell walls being expanded past nrmal capacity from the jelqs?

You're also allowing lots of nitrogen enriched blood to flow into the cells, full of nutrients which will do nothing but increase the rate of repair (should any actual be needed, bearing in mind that nothing has really been damaged, only inflated.) and the longer the blood is in there, the more chance the cell has time to adapt it's elasticy to it's new volume.

As for ejaculation, I can't biologically see how this has any bearing on anything except hormone production, and if anything more frequent ejactulation would increase testosterone?

It's a confusing old subject for sure. All i know is that the man himself, MOS's DLD never takes rest days, and goes at it hard and it never did his progression any damage.

Just some food for thought. p.s. I'm not a biologist at all so if I'm off on a few things please educate me as it will help my understanding.

StrokerAce69 · 08-19-2008, 09:21 PM

I am stoked for you bro, Nothing like seeing proof to keep you at it. Your enthusiasm is great, just keep on plugging along and imagine where you will be in 3 years! As far as the "no nut" rule, I think that is bunk. If you need to rub one out or fuck, do it. I cannot for the life of me see how that could hinder your gains. JMO

McB52 · 08-19-2008, 09:47 PM

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As far as the "no nut" rule

I'm with Stoker on that one! I don't see any harm in it. I don't rub-one-out all/every time, but once in awhile, after doing my stretches, jelq's. I'll rub-one-out. I don't think it's effected my gains any. As a matter of fact, shouldn't it help. After all, your pumping more blood and expanding that muscle.

Any way....good job..keep it up!(hehe)

McB

Clockwatcher · 08-20-2008, 09:17 AM

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I am stoked for you bro, Nothing like seeing proof to keep you at it. Your enthusiasm is great, just keep on plugging along and imagine where you will be in 3 years!

Thanks Man, appreciated :)

To many people I'm sure 3 years sounds like an eternity an a long term investment. But if i rationalise it and think 3 years could potential see 30% - 40% increase in length to the the 8"-9" mark then it's really a very short period of time with dramatic results.

If you were to compare it to weight training, you'd struggle to add 40% additional muscle mass in 3 years without some heavy anabolic support.

I'll be here, I think this is my new PE home. I like the community and i likr the forum setup. I also use vbulletin for my forums and it's a very familiar setup. My only gripe is the 30+ must read threads in the PE forum. Unneccessary and makes for an annoying user experience having to scroll down all the time. I've said it many time's but hey, what do I know? I only work full time running a successful web agency :)

Back to the time investment, if it were doing something uncomfortable like hanging or putting myself through pain I definately wouldn't be looking forward to the commitment. But jelqing and general stretching are actually quite pleasant exercises and so long as i can gain from those I'll have no issues.

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As far as the "no nut" rule
I'm with Stoker on that one! I don't see any harm in it. I don't rub-one-out all/every time, but once in awhile, after doing my stretches, jelq's. I'll rub-one-out. I don't think it's effected my gains any. As a matter of fact, shouldn't it help. After all, your pumping more blood and expanding that muscle.

Any way....good job..keep it up!(hehe)

I agree totally. Increasing blood circulation around the area I'm sure can do nothing but good things.

Clockwatcher · 08-20-2008, 10:39 AM

Ok next Journal post.

Been thinking about HGH recently and the way in which it works and how it may have some benefits in PE.

I'm not talking about the bollocks HGH boosters or other supplements here that are full of snake oil. I'm talking about real, hardcore 191 amino synthetic HGH (retailing at around £300-500 a month for a full course.)

Now I have a friend who uses this stuff. He's a professional UFC style Mixed Martial Artist to be fair so he requires alot of additional stregth but I have watched him spot target different areas of his body with his HGH injections and amazingly these areas increase in size and mass.

Whether it be injection into each ab, or his traps or even biceps, about 3ui's each day sees dramatic results in a few short weeks.

Now how does it work? It's pretty simply, unlike steroids and other supplements, HGH is actually capable and very good as cell reproduction. I mean you can actually build new muscle rather than enhancing the muscle you currently have. No other product is capable of this, at all.

HGH is naturally occuring in the body, it's formed in the pituitary gland and is deposited throughout the body by equal amounts through the posterior chain. I believe that it's due to the occurance of this HGH that we actually see some of the gains that we do. While we can increase the size of the cells in the corpus, as some sites state as the volume becomes too great new cells are formed to help the mitosis process (known as sarcomere hyperplasia when reffering to muscle cells).

Now I bet you can guess where I'm going with this. If our goal is to increase the rate of mitosis, and thus the volume of blood the penis is capable of holding and the results of using HGH is infact an increase in mitisos, repair, reproduction, protein systhetis and fat reduction, then what would happen should someone combine PE with a course of HGH, injected straight into the penis tissue.

Sure it's a thought that makes me wince, but i can't see anything that would make this process any riskier here that injecting anywhere else in the body, and sythetic HGH is a relatively good hormone with very few side effects (except bone hypertrophy in rare cases and a condition known as acromegaly).

Anyway food for thought. Let me know what you think and if anyone has attempted this support supplementation in combination with their PE.

Note. I'm not advising anyone does this. Just hypothesising what could happen, hoping that somebody here also knows about this suject area and can increase my knowledge or provide usefull feedback about why I'm right/wrong.

Hope you enjoyed today's journal entry :)

Hairtrigger · 08-21-2008, 02:58 PM

That was a very interesting theory, I think we need to try it out as soon as possible..........on your unit.

ijk.

Congrats on your gains, ain't nothing like first gains, It gives you focus to keep doing what you been doing. Keep up the good work.

As far as rubbing one out, I try not to. I try to save them for sex and edging sessions. I like that feeling I get after about 3-4 days, it's like the blood flow stays increased in that area and I stay plumper. (is that a word?) Whatever, anything over that amount of time I just stay hornier than hell and the amount doesn't increase either. 2cents.

Clockwatcher · 08-22-2008, 09:56 AM

Hey HT, cheers man.

tbh, I dont get the urge to rub one out too often anymore. Sex life seems to be improving the more i do this stuff and so on off days I'd rather PE and leave the energy for something else.

recently been reading that you're supposed to ensure that the blood you push into the unit never escaped, holding it in every jelq. This may be a little hard to do with