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kdub · 08-23-2008, 06:26 PM

I don't doubt that it can be done. But the sport I do (motocross) and my general well being will not allow me to cut my cardio for 3 - 6 months. As I said before for me to gain this sort of weight would take a miracle and a little help.

However if anybody would show me a program that will allow 3 hours of good cardio a week with a weight regime that would gain me 10lbs of lean mass in 6 months then that would be great.

But right now I am concentrating on rebuilding the shoulder. Have lost between 5-15% motion in all directions. Strength obviously is non existant. Only using theraband to stetch and lightly workout the muscles. Will move to light weight 8lbs next week and aim to increase the weights every 2 weeks by a couple of pounds.

Cheers Guys

Pegasus · 08-23-2008, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kdub

I don't doubt that it can be done. But the sport I do (motocross) and my general well being will not allow me to cut my cardio for 3 - 6 months. As I said before for me to gain this sort of weight would take a miracle and a little help.

However if anybody would show me a program that will allow 3 hours of good cardio a week with a weight regime that would gain me 10lbs of lean mass in 6 months then that would be great.

But right now I am concentrating on rebuilding the shoulder. Have lost between 5-15% motion in all directions. Strength obviously is non existant. Only using theraband to stetch and lightly workout the muscles. Will move to light weight 8lbs next week and aim to increase the weights every 2 weeks by a couple of pounds.

Cheers Guys

Well it seems you are into the rehab which is great.

You are moving foward.

I take it you can do some cardio now?
You were saying you didn't want to stop cardio for 2 years now you are saying you don't want to stop for 3 months. Makes it hard. I take it your conditioning was already periodised? You spoke of a off season. How was your conditioning arranged through the year? Do you use standard (western) periodisation ? For that matter what are the requirments for motocross? I take it cardio is a major one and strength is nice to have?
Or is it more muscle endurance? You realise you seem to be out to look better (bodubuilding) which is not sport related,- or do I read you wrong
Is more size going to hel your sport? Or are you after more strength in which case it may be possible to increase without weight gain- thus increasing power to weight ratio a better sporting outcome. Anyhow I will talk to some people, keep me up with how you are going.

kdub · 08-24-2008, 08:27 PM

Motocross is one of those sports that is very extreme in terms of body conditioning. Your heart rate hits your max for close on 35mins and your core strength has to be really good as we experiance 3g's maybe 20 times a lap for 15 or 16 laps whilst standing up. So leg strength and stamina with good core strength is essential to produce consistantly fast lap times as the track gets rougher.

My fitness focus is a good endurance (bycicle and running) and overall strength (12 weeks heavy weights) during the off season period from November to February with a 3-4 week break at the start to heal up any niggling injuries. Then as the season starts in March I focus more on speed and interval training along with motox bike time.

Once the season is in full swing I do 3 x 40 mile cycles at 65% and 3 days of moto on those days. This works out to be about 7 weeks on 1 week off as when I get a rest couple of weekends I use that time to have a good 5 or 6 days off to recover.

The other 2 days I run 4 miles and do a lot of stretching along with a 15 min military style workout.

Every day Mon-Fri I pick a body group as well and do some medium/light weights with a 4 weeks on 1 week off for recovery.

Now that my racing career is slowing down to an amatuer program I will back this way down. I think once the shoulder is healed I am going to concentrate on cycling and military style workouts.

Right now I have done nothing since the injury except work the shoulder. Tomorrow I am going to use the indoor bike for 45 mins all week to get things moving. Its been nice to rest up for a while and frustrating at the same time as Ihave not been able to do to much.

As for an advantage of weights it depends on your riding style, some guys are smooth and others are agressive and use more strengt than technique. I would say I am in the middle. I don't lack strength or stamina for my chosen sport. However now I want to do what looks a little better for me than provide an advantage on the track I suppose. Almost 29 now so my time to shine is over.

Pegasus · 08-27-2008, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kdub

Motocross is one of those sports that is very extreme in terms of body conditioning. Your heart rate hits your max for close on 35mins and your core strength has to be really good as we experiance 3g's maybe 20 times a lap for 15 or 16 laps whilst standing up. So leg strength and stamina with good core strength is essential to produce consistantly fast lap times as the track gets rougher.

My fitness focus is a good endurance (bycicle and running) and overall strength (12 weeks heavy weights) during the off season period from November to February with a 3-4 week break at the start to heal up any niggling injuries. Then as the season starts in March I focus more on speed and interval training along with motox bike time.

Once the season is in full swing I do 3 x 40 mile cycles at 65% and 3 days of moto on those days. This works out to be about 7 weeks on 1 week off as when I get a rest couple of weekends I use that time to have a good 5 or 6 days off to recover.

The other 2 days I run 4 miles and do a lot of stretching along with a 15 min military style workout.

Every day Mon-Fri I pick a body group as well and do some medium/light weights with a 4 weeks on 1 week off for recovery.

Now that my racing career is slowing down to an amatuer program I will back this way down. I think once the shoulder is healed I am going to concentrate on cycling and military style workouts.

Right now I have done nothing since the injury except work the shoulder. Tomorrow I am going to use the indoor bike for 45 mins all week to get things moving. Its been nice to rest up for a while and frustrating at the same time as Ihave not been able to do to much.

As for an advantage of weights it depends on your riding style, some guys are smooth and others are agressive and use more strengt than technique. I would say I am in the middle. I don't lack strength or stamina for my chosen sport. However now I want to do what looks a little better for me than provide an advantage on the track I suppose. Almost 29 now so my time to shine is over.

You don't mention what sort of exercises you do during your 12 weght training segment or how this is/was periodised. Did you do heavy leg work?
Have you ever done much swiming.
Speaking of which I have to go to my stroke improvement class .
Keep up the good work re recovery.

TheDickler · 10-16-2008, 08:24 PM

I never knew there was a good way to take steroids, other than only taking a little and sticking to what your supposed to. People get addicted to the results then overdose regularly, which is what's dangerous... standard amounts don't give you problems.

Pegasus · 10-18-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDickler

I never knew there was a good way to take steroids, other than only taking a little and sticking to what your supposed to. People get addicted to the results then overdose regularly, which is what's dangerous... standard amounts don't give you problems.

Standard amounts according to who? The gym pusher? Who knows what is really in there anyway? When given to burns victims under medical advice they can still have problems.

JonPop · 10-18-2008, 10:36 PM

I guess the Dickler did all his posting for the year in one day. My mouse almost caught on fire, trying to keep up with that guy.

Pegasus · 10-19-2008, 02:56 AM

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I guess the Dickler did all his posting for the year in one day. My mouse almost caught on fire, trying to keep up with that guy.

You do well JP,I hope dickler doesn't go the way of deej.
Though I am not clear on what happened there?

kdub · 10-20-2008, 08:14 AM

hi guys, just an update. the shoulder is now taking some light weights front/side lateral raises of around 20lbs for a set of 8 (damn the muscles got weak quick) oh and some shoulder presses of around 50lbs. Hopefully in 6 weeks or so I will be up a good 10 lbs ongoes wellthe raises and hopefully 30-40lbs on the pesses if all goes well. The shoulder itself though still feels tight in places and i am doing all thestretching i can along with some good rotational resistance work using theraband as a resistance.

Have gained 13lbs in body weight since the accident through no cardio like you said. Going to push hard weights wise in the new year and hopefully by then the shoulder will be strong enough. Going to lift heavy for 12 weeks then start a cutting cycle of around 8 weeks at approx 1lb a week and we will see what I have gained by then.

Pegasus · 10-20-2008, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kdub

hi guys, just an update. the shoulder is now taking some light weights front/side lateral raises of around 20lbs for a set of 8 (damn the muscles got weak quick) oh and some shoulder presses of around 50lbs. Hopefully in 6 weeks or so I will be up a good 10 lbs ongoes wellthe raises and hopefully 30-40lbs on the pesses if all goes well. The shoulder itself though still feels tight in places and i am doing all thestretching i can along with some good rotational resistance work using theraband as a resistance.

Have gained 13lbs in body weight since the accident through no cardio like you said. Going to push hard weights wise in the new year and hopefully by then the shoulder will be strong enough. Going to lift heavy for 12 weeks then start a cutting cycle of around 8 weeks at approx 1lb a week and we will see what I have gained by then.

Good luck, remember the heavy leg work.
If I can help you know how to find me.

kdub · 10-20-2008, 07:46 PM

just out of interest what sort of program would you recommend. I intend to do 2 body parts per day 6 days a week to allow a decent rest period in between.

Its either that or do a 5 day plan of 1st,3rd and 5th day heavy with 2 body parts and days 2 and 4 with a military style workout doing 200 reps of well haven't quite decided on a focus yet but you get the picture.

I think the second 5 day routine will be more fun and could possibly provide better all round results as to pack on some size but maintain a good relevant fitness specific to a more athletic look than body builder.

Whats your opinions guys as any input will carefully be considered and hopefully make a more rounded routine.

JonPop · 10-20-2008, 08:30 PM

Hey Kevin, Big Al would be the guy to set you up a program. Give him a PM and ask. He is a great guy and always willing to help.

Pegasus · 10-21-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by kdub

just out of interest what sort of program would you recommend. I intend to do 2 body parts per day 6 days a week to allow a decent rest period in between.

Its either that or do a 5 day plan of 1st,3rd and 5th day heavy with 2 body parts and days 2 and 4 with a military style workout doing 200 reps of well haven't quite decided on a focus yet but you get the picture.

I think the second 5 day routine will be more fun and could possibly provide better all round results as to pack on some size but maintain a good relevant fitness specific to a more athletic look than body builder.

Whats your opinions guys as any input will carefully be considered and hopefully make a more rounded routine.

Well I tried this sort of training, (6day split) with lots of exercises, sets eating till you vomit etc and it did not work.

More to the point I have never seen it work roid free. Tried a lot of other things the lifters and bodybuilders in the gym suggested, went up and down on one spot for years.

Most training advice stems from people who are on roids and is counterproductive to you roid free.
You are going to get a mountain of advice and be confused by it, so here is the short version.
Strength Mill.com go to the Mark Rippetoe forum.

You must of course take into account your injury and what is sensible re that.

Loki · 10-22-2008, 12:11 AM

As far as I know steroids are injected, a freind of mine of mine does them...... Watch out for roid rage if you do them though!!

Betterman · 10-22-2008, 01:34 AM

This reminds me of the days I used to play softball. I was a all-star baseball player in the younger days. I played for the Company team in Mi Older days. I've been with the Company for going on 20 years now. During this time, I watched as I grew older, the other players before me, and how they grew older with the sport. They ended up with bad knees, bad shoulders, bad elbows, etc. Now not to diminish from your goals in any way. I decided for myself, that at a certain point in Life. The Mind says "Yes I Can", the Body says "Maybe You Shouldn't." I just have to reiterate, that Life's Journey is a constantly changing course. Yet, we are Creatures of Habit. Please take heed that what you used to be able to do, your body may not be able to withstand the task. One more thought, if injury is sustained, the body will heal slower and not as thorough. One may ask one's Self "Is there another step I should progress in this life." Such as enthusiasm, interest, hobby, etc. Health is a very high priority in my life. Yet, I will use Moderation in all aspects of Mi Life. This Is My Wish For You, Mi Friend. Be Well in your goals.

JonPop · 10-22-2008, 01:37 AM

That was some pretty sage advice there Bman.

Betterman · 10-22-2008, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JonPop

That was some pretty sage advice there Bman.

Thanks, I apologise for Mi Absence of late. Life You Know.

Pegasus · 10-22-2008, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Betterman

This reminds me of the days I used to play softball. I was a all-star baseball player in the younger days. I played for the Company team in Mi Older days. I've been with the Company for going on 20 years now. During this time, I watched as I grew older, the other players before me, and how they grew older with the sport. They ended up with bad knees, bad shoulders, bad elbows, etc. Now not to diminish from your goals in any way. I decided for myself, that at a certain point in Life. The Mind says "Yes I Can", the Body says "Maybe You Shouldn't." I just have to reiterate, that Life's Journey is a constantly changing course. Yet, we are Creatures of Habit. Please take heed that what you used to be able to do, your body may not be able to withstand the task. One more thought, if injury is sustained, the body will heal slower and not as thorough. One may ask one's Self "Is there another step I should progress in this life." Such as enthusiasm, interest, hobby, etc. Health is a very high priority in my life. Yet, I will use Moderation in all aspects of Mi Life. This Is My Wish For You, Mi Friend. Be Well in your goals.

This is good advice for someone in their 40's ,50's etc doing contact sports.
But why give it to somone in their 20's (as stated in thread) doing gym work?

Would think gym is something that can be done for many years yet.
Or are you talking about motocross?

kdub · 10-22-2008, 06:47 PM

If its motocross my shelf life has past and I am on my way down. But as fo physical training I like to think I am not at my peak yet.

I am no longer really looking for sport specific performance, more of a look. Middle weight boxer type shape which isn't much more than I have just now. The roids questions were only for an interest in how they work.

Pegasus I will get a look at the website as soon as. Cheers Bud.

JonPop · 10-22-2008, 09:48 PM

O.k. Dub. Now that your career as a professional racer is probably over, pack that bike up, come across the pond and let's you and me go do some serious desert riding.
Sound good? Or...Hell mate, I'll have a bike waiting.

kdub · 10-24-2008, 11:08 PM

would love the chance if I had the time John. Although I am looking to come out to sunny Cal early next year for a 14 day trip with a company called mx heaven. If I save up my pennies enough hopefully I will be out there twice next year and a possibility of a months riding down in Texas with a buddy of mine.

All depends on work though. Off to Portugal next week for a few days then out into the oil rigs in the North Sea. So busy busy.

gully · 12-16-2008, 12:47 AM

[quote=sikdogg;71981]Yes steroids will make your nads shrink but by simply adding hcg to your cycle, this can be prevented.

hi total noob here. what is HCG?
thanks for you time
gully

W.M.P. · 12-16-2008, 12:58 AM

HCG = Hydrolized Cattle Giblets.

shortadonis · 12-16-2008, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by gully

hi total noob here. what is HCG?
thanks for you time
gully

Human chorionic gonadotropin. In summary, when used while on AAS it mimics LH (luteinizing hormone), which is the hormone produced in the pituitary gland that signals the testes to produce testosterone.

By using HCG while on cycle you keep your testes responsive to LH, which prevents testicular atrophy. When you come off of the AAS, use of a SERM post cycle will restart natural LH production, thereby restarting natural testosterone production.

Hope this was helpful. Tried to keep it short and easy to understand while still providing an accurate description...

lizagill · 03-08-2010, 09:38 AM

I do not have idea but after reading this i got some useful info.

Sweely · 03-09-2010, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lizagill

I do not have idea but after reading this i got some useful info.

Me too. I got some really useful information after reading through this thread.

I have never tried out steroids myself, but I can't say that I recommend it. Whatever you have chosen to do, I wish you the best!

jacob · 04-18-2010, 01:32 AM

Hello,
Look i personally advise you not to take steroids.

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JonPop · 04-18-2010, 01:50 AM

Sorry Jacob, you can't run personal ads here.

slickwillie · 04-18-2010, 02:20 PM

On the steroid topic, I've heard of older folks and injured ones taking growth hormone injections (assumed to be on a schedule from their doctor or something like that) and it helped them recover. Not sure if that's something to consider, but I would certainly advise against buying steroids off the street. A popular one may be sustanon 250.
Either way, good luck with your recovery!

I blew my shoulder out when I was 20 doing and it took several months to recovery. All I remember is not being able to whipe my ass with my right hand and get a frosty mug out of the freezer, due to the motion/stress it would put on my shoulder!