How to take Steroids

kdub · 08-05-2008, 11:18 AM

OK guys this is for the know it all gym types. I consider myself a relatively fit guy 5ft9" and weigh 170 just now. I am really broad shoulder and well built all over especially the legs.

Now here is my dilema, yesterday whilst practicing on my motocross bike I had a career ending injury. I seperated my shoulder and tore most of the ligaments off. As of right now my arm doesn't really move. Sceduled to be fixed real soon.

Now after the op I am looking at 3 months to get the most motion back that I can. Now due to lack of exercise I will obviously lose weight.

Now I don't want to spend the next year trying to build strength and mass back up. So say to gain a good 10-15lbs of size what would be recommended to take as a cycle. I have never taken anything before but now my biking is over I would like to bulk up a bit.

Gerhardt Willet · 08-05-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kdub

OK guys this is for the know it all gym types. I consider myself a relatively fit guy 5ft9" and weigh 170 just now. I am really broad shoulder and well built all over especially the legs.

Now here is my dilema, yesterday whilst practicing on my motocross bike I had a career ending injury. I seperated my shoulder and tore most of the ligaments off. As of right now my arm doesn't really move. Sceduled to be fixed real soon.

Now after the op I am looking at 3 months to get the most motion back that I can. Now due to lack of exercise I will obviously lose weight.

Now I don't want to spend the next year trying to build strength and mass back up. So say to gain a good 10-15lbs of size what would be recommended to take as a cycle. I have never taken anything before but now my biking is over I would like to bulk up a bit.

Duuuude.....

The absolute LAST thing you want to do with that shoulder is push it with steroids. Steroids mask the inflammation and pain. Tore most of the ligaments off? IF they can get everything put back properly, it'll be quite a while before you can push that shoulder. If ever. Be happy to get the use back.

If you push the shoulder with steroids you will probably destroy whatever you have left to work with, and a second repair will be most difficult if not impossible. I know some pretty big dudes who have had NO injuries, but have ground thier shoulders into dust pushing it to build muscle because the steroids mask the pain and swelling.

Then there's always the fact that the stuff is illegal. The upside of that is last time I was in the joint, they had a great gym facility......

But right now I'm thinking: if you just about tore your arm off yesterday how is it that you're sitting at your computer at 6am today and typing?
Whatever.

bozoballz · 08-05-2008, 03:07 PM

Kdub I'm sorry for your loss.

You may never be able to use that arm like you think again. Worse you'll risk further injury as Gerhardt pointed out.

Atleast your pecker still works.

My advice would be to never take steroids. Let your shoulder heal. For like a year or more. Work on cardio.

bozoballz · 08-05-2008, 03:07 PM

Sorry for the double post... seems I double clicked. I should check my ladies tits, make sure I'm not seeing 4.

adz88 · 08-05-2008, 03:12 PM

From my understanding steroids increase the rate of the repair of muscle tissue. Dunno how it affects torn ligaments lol

kdub · 08-05-2008, 04:07 PM

I am currently using my left arm badly to type etc. lucky for me the misses is helping me loads. the arm is totaly useless right now and the pain killers are strong. Got the word that its a 3rd degree seperation to the ac joint. if we need to operate we are looking at 3 months recovery to get back to being able to start working out lightly.

The reason for the steroids was to
1. build back the muscle mass that I will lose over the next 6 months.
2. Build a lttle more averall size.

I know that steroids can be addictive but I genuinley only want to do 1 cycle to get the gains etc I can get. I know the shoulder will never be the same but hopefully with a good post op plan hopefully I will be able to lift weight s etc again.

Gerhardt Willet · 08-05-2008, 04:42 PM

kdub....

Ok....here's the deal. 'roids won't help if you're working out lightly. To not waste your time you need to just about max out every cycle. Most muscleheads I know didnt get much to talk about until 2 or 3 cycles on Deca or Winstrol. Then you have the other problems of the 'roids turning to estrogen They ALL do to a certain extent, and causing gynomastia (sp?) and growing a nice set of BOOBS for you. (popular in the joint)
THEN you have testicular SHRINKAGE because they, your nuts, realize that your testosterone is way too high so they atrophy, STOP production.
Down side of that is that they might NOT grow back. Or they might after 6 months or so. who knows.....
Then to get any real results, you have to eat like a friggin HORSE because you have to grow the muscles out of something, yes? And you have to drink water like a fish because of the liver and kidney toxicity so the roids don't kill you.
Then you turn into a fat water retaining bloated Pillsbury Dough Boy looking fellow who has to max out on diuretics to get rid of all that excess water.

THEN, if all that isn't enough to satisfy you.... if you do just one cycle....you'll loose all your gains in a few weeks after you stop taking them.

Do I sound negative?

My suggestion: Do tai-chi, and do it seriously, youd be AMAZED at the workout you can get. Swim....16 lengths of a Olympic size pool 3 times a week. Eat lots of protein and supplement it with whey or soy, this will allow the connective tissue to heal. It NEVER heals as strong, but it's not a lost cause.

JonPop · 08-05-2008, 04:51 PM

Kevin, sorry to hear about your injury. Positive? At least you didn't break your fookin neck. Negative? You will have to work with what you have for the rest of your life. I am still dealing with a torn rotator cuff. I can't afford the down time to get it repaired. With the operation that you are facing, look for 6 months down time and another 6 months of re-hab. Sorry to be the barer of gloom, but this is what you have to look forward to. Must be a bitch trying to sleep? Good luck mate. We all are pulling for you.

W.M.P. · 08-05-2008, 05:28 PM

I've torn my shoulder in two places. The rear deltoid I tore in a freak accident over 12yrs ago. The physical therapy place I went to was a mediocre practice to say the least. At the time, I didn't know any better so the thing ended up not healing properly; too much scar tissue, which in turn took away a lot of the muscle's flexibility. So about 2yrs ago, I tore the front head of that same shoulder, for no other reason than the imbalance I had from the old injury. The front head ended up not only picking up slack from an unproperly healed rear head, but also was getting pulled back constantly by the tightness of the rear. To say the least, it was very depressing at first, cause without healthy shoulders, YOU CAN'T LIFT, PERIOD. Any upper-body exercise recruits the shoulders. After a week of feeling like shit, I thought "Hmmm...I know what I can do. Cardio!!

Dude, I got RIPPED in like a month. I focused on a lean diet, did cardion twice a day and next thing you know, I have the washboard abs I hadn't seen in almost 10yrs!

Find yourself a good doctor, good physical therapist and just make the best of the situation. You'll be glad you did.

JonPop · 08-05-2008, 05:48 PM

Good advice W.M.P

StrokerAce69 · 08-05-2008, 08:56 PM

Dude, Repeat after me. I WILL FUCKING NOT TAKE STEROIDS. Plain and simple, you are asking for problems. I know how frustrating a serious injury can be, and you feel like you have to immediately get back in the saddle. Listen to what wmp said, get it fixed, do your physical therapy and work on your cardio for the time being. Also, what Gerhardt said you CANNOT get around. Any anabolic substance you take has the propensity to aromatize into estrogen, once taken into the body. The injectible drugs are not as bad (conversion wise) as the oral`s, but they all will do it. Stay COMPLETELY the fuck away from any of the so called " designer" roid`s that have been methyleted to decrease the aromatization of testosterone in the liver, as they are extremely hepatoxic and people HAVE died as result of their use. Get it fixed, start therapy, and take it slow. I LOVE to ride too, and I feel for you bro, just like with PE though.......Don`t push it. JMO, Hope you recover quickly.

kdub · 08-05-2008, 09:01 PM

thanks for the support guys.

W.M.P. · 08-05-2008, 10:02 PM

A good buddy of mine who juiced for about 2 decades, calls the gains on roids "borrowed muscle", so chew on that for a bit. Also, whether injured or not, you might be able to fool muscles into "growing" with roids, you might also be able to feel as strong as Superman...but you can't fool your joints. As much as roids can do suprahuman things for muscle, when it comes to connective tissue such as the tendons that hold your joints together, roids will do NOTHING for them. So, while your muscles are "growing", your tendons will be trying to catch up with the increasing loads and they will fail miserably at it. Do the math, and you'll see that it doesn't add up, no matter what any fervent juicehead will tell you. With proper nutrition, rest and top-notch treatment, the body's ability to recover is simply astounding. One thing I'll tell you right off the bat, is to DO THE PRECRIBED EXERCISES AND STRETCHES when you start physical therapy. Don't just do them when you go to your weekly appointment for therapy; do them at home as prescribed, no matter how boring, useless or insignificant the moves might seem. One step at a time, you'll be back on the horse sooner than you think.

baybabe · 08-05-2008, 10:42 PM

Wait...Doesn't Steroids make your d*ck smaller?

Gerhardt Willet · 08-06-2008, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by baybabe

Wait...Doesn't Steroids make your d*ck smaller?

IN a word: Yes. All steroids are precursors for testosterone. Like I mentioned before, hypogonadism ( tiny Nads) sets in because body chemistry sees an excess of testosterone.
They shrink to nothing. Then your dick shrinks right after your sex drive.
Sounds like fun.

baybabe · 08-06-2008, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerhardt Willet

IN a word: Yes. All steroids are precursors for testosterone. Like I mentioned before, hypogonadism ( tiny Nads) sets in because body chemistry sees an excess of testosterone.
They shrink to nothing. Then your dick shrinks right after your sex drive.
Sounds like fun.

WEEEEEEEEE!

earlybroncogirl · 08-06-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kdub

OK guys this is for the know it all gym types. I consider myself a relatively fit guy 5ft9" and weigh 170 just now. I am really broad shoulder and well built all over especially the legs.

Now here is my dilema, yesterday whilst practicing on my motocross bike I had a career ending injury. I seperated my shoulder and tore most of the ligaments off. As of right now my arm doesn't really move. Sceduled to be fixed real soon.

Now after the op I am looking at 3 months to get the most motion back that I can. Now due to lack of exercise I will obviously lose weight.

Now I don't want to spend the next year trying to build strength and mass back up. So say to gain a good 10-15lbs of size what would be recommended to take as a cycle. I have never taken anything before but now my biking is over I would like to bulk up a bit.

start with some Glutamine...and if u can get ur hands on "real" HGH...it will help u in with amazing recovery/healing ...do not take what I have said lightly as I am not offering this advice lightly...do ur research

earlybroncogirl · 08-06-2008, 03:27 PM

the info I am offering is not to "build" muscle...but aid in "incredible healing properties"...as I know I am gonna get ripped into for even saying what I have said....I have done my "personal research" over a period of no less than 6 years, so I am not speaking on bs I have heard about...and I am also speaking "in moderation"...not abuse

Pegasus · 08-06-2008, 09:34 PM

Kdub sorry about your injury. The results you are after can be gained natural, it just takes time. You are young and will heal with a good doctor and physio. I am also sure you can regain any weight loss plus an additional 10lb and yes it might take a year or 2; so what you have the rest of your life.

kdub · 08-07-2008, 12:58 PM

Good new from the doc today. We done some tests etc and he reckon 3 months and I can be on a bike full speed. However I am going to take 6 months and build up the shoulder properly.

I have a partial dilocation of the shoulder and a stage 3 seperation of the AC joint. Over the past 12 hours I have done nothing but 10 mins heat/cold and it has worked wonders for the pain. Going to start physio on Monday and will also start a goo stretching routine on top of that.

Cardio wise I have always (12 years) cycled around 150 miles a week and run 12 miles over 2 sessions. On top of that I do 3 weight workouts using 2 body parts per session.

Then I practice on the bike or race upto 3 times a week so general fitness for me is not a problem. Putting size on is. Right now I am carrying around 10-12 lbs in excess weight due to injuries and obviously going to be more.

I would never be able to gain 12lbs of muscle mass in a year without some sort of help. I am not saying I would either but I am curios how it all works.

JonPop · 08-07-2008, 04:47 PM

Great news from your Dr. Kdub. Much better than I expected to hear. Hang in there buddy.

sikdogg · 08-07-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerhardt Willet

IN a word: Yes. All steroids are precursors for testosterone. Like I mentioned before, hypogonadism ( tiny Nads) sets in because body chemistry sees an excess of testosterone.
They shrink to nothing. Then your dick shrinks right after your sex drive.
Sounds like fun.

No steroids WILL NOT make your dick smaller. It will also NOT make your dick bigger. However, they will atrophy your testicles but with propper planning that can be prevented. I understand your concern for kdub's health but spewing half truths that you read from media propaganda is silly.

Fact is that steroids will help even if one works out lightly (although it may not be obvious)... that is the reason why it is given to AIDS patients. Steroids work by increasing protein synthesis. This increase in protein synthesis will help to keep muscle.... even in people suffering from muscle wasting diseases like AIDS. I can talk about the science behind this as well as personal experience in bodybuilding. It's not the evil that the media would have you believe.

That said, i don't think that kdub should start cycling steroids. I think that he should just stick to physical therapy to allow the connective tissues to heal and get stronger first. The problem with newbies taking steroids is that strength increases rapidly and sometimes at a faster rate than connective tissues. Since his connective tissues are weak, increasing muscle strength too quickly can put more stress on his connective tissues and put him at further risk of injuries. Once he is 100% or close to it, that is the time to consider steroid use.

baybabe · 08-07-2008, 06:18 PM

WOW That is so interesting! Thank you for posting.

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Originally Posted by sikdogg

No steroids WILL NOT make your dick smaller. It will also NOT make your dick bigger. However, they will atrophy your testicles but with propper planning that can be prevented. I understand your concern for kdub's health but spewing half truths that you read from media propaganda is silly.

Fact is that steroids will help even if one works out lightly (although it may not be obvious)... that is the reason why it is given to AIDS patients. Steroids work by increasing protein synthesis. This increase in protein synthesis will help to keep muscle.... even in people suffering from muscle wasting diseases like AIDS. I can talk about the science behind this as well as personal experience in bodybuilding. It's not the evil that the media would have you believe.

That said, i don't think that kdub should start cycling steroids. I think that he should just stick to physical therapy to allow the connective tissues to heal and get stronger first. The problem with newbies taking steroids is that strength increases rapidly and sometimes at a faster rate than connective tissues. Since his connective tissues are weak, increasing muscle strength too quickly can put more stress on his connective tissues and put him at further risk of injuries. Once he is 100% or close to it, that is the time to consider steroid use.

kdub · 08-07-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sikdogg

No steroids WILL NOT make your dick smaller. It will also NOT make your dick bigger. However, they will atrophy your testicles but with propper planning that can be prevented. I understand your concern for kdub's health but spewing half truths that you read from media propaganda is silly.

Fact is that steroids will help even if one works out lightly (although it may not be obvious)... that is the reason why it is given to AIDS patients. Steroids work by increasing protein synthesis. This increase in protein synthesis will help to keep muscle.... even in people suffering from muscle wasting diseases like AIDS. I can talk about the science behind this as well as personal experience in bodybuilding. It's not the evil that the media would have you believe.

That said, i don't think that kdub should start cycling steroids. I think that he should just stick to physical therapy to allow the connective tissues to heal and get stronger first. The problem with newbies taking steroids is that strength increases rapidly and sometimes at a faster rate than connective tissues. Since his connective tissues are weak, increasing muscle strength too quickly can put more stress on his connective tissues and put him at further risk of injuries. Once he is 100% or close to it, that is the time to consider steroid use.

Thanks for the input dogg. Once I get back upto strength I will reopen the topic and in the meantime I will try and learn as much as possible to make an educated decision myself.

Right now its just curiousity and wanting to know how it works.

Pegasus · 08-09-2008, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdub

Good new from the doc today. We done some tests etc and he reckon 3 months and I can be on a bike full speed. However I am going to take 6 months and build up the shoulder properly.

I have a partial dilocation of the shoulder and a stage 3 seperation of the AC joint. Over the past 12 hours I have done nothing but 10 mins heat/cold and it has worked wonders for the pain. Going to start physio on Monday and will also start a goo stretching routine on top of that.

Cardio wise I have always (12 years) cycled around 150 miles a week and run 12 miles over 2 sessions. On top of that I do 3 weight workouts using 2 body parts per session.

Then I practice on the bike or race upto 3 times a week so general fitness for me is not a problem. Putting size on is. Right now I am carrying around 10-12 lbs in excess weight due to injuries and obviously going to be more.

I would never be able to gain 12lbs of muscle mass in a year without some sort of help. I am not saying I would either but I am curios how it all works.

The large amout of cardio is working against strength /size gains, had the same problem myself years ago. You could try cutting down on this while gaining weight and then maintaining , however combining strength and endurance is always a balanceing act.

adz88 · 08-09-2008, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sikdogg

No steroids WILL NOT make your dick smaller. It will also NOT make your dick bigger. However, they will atrophy your testicles but with propper planning that can be prevented. I understand your concern for kdub's health but spewing half truths that you read from media propaganda is silly.

Fact is that steroids will help even if one works out lightly (although it may not be obvious)... that is the reason why it is given to AIDS patients. Steroids work by increasing protein synthesis. This increase in protein synthesis will help to keep muscle.... even in people suffering from muscle wasting diseases like AIDS. I can talk about the science behind this as well as personal experience in bodybuilding. It's not the evil that the media would have you believe.

That said, i don't think that kdub should start cycling steroids. I think that he should just stick to physical therapy to allow the connective tissues to heal and get stronger first. The problem with newbies taking steroids is that strength increases rapidly and sometimes at a faster rate than connective tissues. Since his connective tissues are weak, increasing muscle strength too quickly can put more stress on his connective tissues and put him at further risk of injuries. Once he is 100% or close to it, that is the time to consider steroid use.

Sik I understand that steroids increase the rate in which muscle tissues repairs (protein synthesis) so I was thinking it in fact could have benefits in
PE. From my understanding with girth exercises your send more blood into the penis than it can currently holds and the tissue tears to expand and the gains from from t