Glitches with the forum

[JonPop]

My advice:
During the changes that are taking place and are going to be in place in a short time, if you are experiencing any problems with logging on or accessing the forum, once you get logged in, do not log out. You can shut off your computer but when you access BetterMan, the site will come up for you. Sorry for all the interuptions. JP

[StrokerAce69]

That`s cool JP, Glad to know it...... I just thought I needed an old priest and a young priest. ( The power of christ compells you! The power of christ compells you!)

[Hairtrigger]

Everything looks great! There is a ton of information now that can be found easily. It will take me a year to read all that. Thanks to everyone that helped put it together. It will be put to good use.

I didn't really know where to put this but I had to tell someone.

[JonPop]

Heck, Hairytrigger. This was as good a place as any. Yes, it is pretty neat.

[adz88]

I like the new look. Got a good feel to it

[Clockwatcher]

just a suggestion as you're making all these changes.

In the PE forum the thread list is almost half taken up with "must read" stickies.

I agree that they are great posts but do they really need to take up half of the thread list on every single page? It's not a very efficient or logical way of presenting them.

Could you not create a sub forum of must read threads or even an entire new forum in itself?

[Clockwatcher]

Also whats all this premium stuff?

I'm new here admittedly, but i thought this was marketing itself as one of the best sources of free information? Doing away with the stigma attached to all the worthless paid for e-books out there conning people for information freely available elsewhere.

From what i now see If i want to see your uber-awesome sections, i need to part with £150 of my cash. Even though i already own the book, already have an affordable home made JD, don't need enlargegel (as i've been repeatingly advised that there's no point, it doesn't even feature in any of your guides), and I've never been advised to have anything to do with the Extender.

It's a very strange way to go that could see you branded as just another site trying to gain some bucks. JD as a device already has a bad reputation about possible patent infringments and overpriced construction charges (in fact that pretty much all i read about on my first day of research into PE), don't make things worse by charging for e-books that just contain free advice.

I like the idea of a premium advice area, but i can't see that that's worth £150 of my hard earned, especially when surely if I have a question I should just post it in the forum, that's what they're there for anyway isn't it?

Is it to say that answers found to my questions in the normal free areas are going to be sub-standard or inaccurate compared to the premium area? Is that a good or ethical approach considering this is a forum advising people to do extreme conditioning to their penis'?

[adz88]

I don't really mind it though. If they need to do that to pay for the site and keep it up and running and for the rest of us it's for the greater good! Besides I and many others think the jelq device is well worth the money spent, thats why I just purchased mine about 1 week ago

[Clockwatcher]

I don't doubt that mate. But there is a mark up of about 1000% on material costs even when purchasing them in their completed forms on a single unit basis it also uses without doubt a design and construction process for the magority of the product which it does not hold the patent for.

Anyway, I'm not that fussed about that side of things. If people are happy to pay someone $90 to put some foam on some canning tongs then that is their parogative.

My issue is that by offering both free and paid for information implies that the premium information is somewhat superior to the free. I don't like the idea of people damaging their units using sub-standard information.

Forums far larger than this run very well on sparsely placed few ads. I run a forum 10x larger than this and my costs are still very low, less than $200 a month for a dedicated server which is easily replaced by a single banner ad.

Obviously this is operating as a business and wants to turn profits, fair enough, but selling e-books effectively containing advice given for free elsewhere or which have been formed from the contents and finding of the publics posts is a bad way of doing business.

Few people realise that usually, unless otherwise stated and agreed to, they actually own the IPR to posts made on a forum. It is there property and they have the legal right to have said posts removed (at least this is the case in the uk) should they wish.

Now if these e-books contain routines that have been forumlated from research and findings and even content from said posts then there are numerous cases for copyright infringment. I know this first hand unfortunately.

Also there is no option to perhaps just pay memebrship for the forum area. The other bits are fairly worthless. at least MOS gives you a very professionally produced dvd. I thought i had found a great forum in betterman that wasn't trying to charge for information.

If it's only these new ebook that are restricted then i can live without them, however if other area of the forum go paid for then I suppose I'll just have to jump ship to one of the other free forums that are coming up.

Anyway I don't want to be seen as causing trouble. I won't be posting anything else negative about your sales strategy, I've made my point known.

p.s. Nice design though.

[McB52]

I don't know yet!! Looks okay, but still finding a few things I don't like.

BTW, who is Big Al and what makes him an expert? Also, seems like all his knowledge is at a cost.

I hope this site didn't go commercial.

Just my 2 cents

[Big Al]

Big Al here. I'd like to clarify a few things. The main forum itself will remain as-is- we're merely adding a few premium features. The BetterMan plan will provide a complete PE kit with everything that someone could possibly want at the lowest possible cost. You can read more about it at betterman.com.

For those of you with comments about the premium sections- it's not so much the complete PE routines that's being charged for as much as the concentrated guidance and 1-on-1 support that you'll get in customizing and perfecting your PE routine. The goal is to eliminate most of the conflicts of opinion, guesswork and redundancies found in most PE workout plans. That way, you can get the quickest results possible.

We're currently working on solutions so that members who have purchased from BetterMan before can get discounts or free access to the premium sections. There's still a lot of work that needs to be done, so please bear with us while we're making these changes.

If you have any specific questions for me please feel free to ask.

Thanks!

[McB52]

Big Al, thanks for clarification. I'm sure others will find the 1-on-1 support useful. Options are always a good thing! I have enjoyed the forum, and it has helped me an others with our journey.

[Big Al]

Originally Posted by McB52

Big Al, thanks for clarification. I'm sure others will find the 1-on-1 support useful. Options are always a good thing! I have enjoyed the forum, and it has helped me an others with our journey.

Thanks :) I'll do my best!

[Betterman]

WOW!!! Nice change to the site. Very Professional. So far no gliches.

[Hairtrigger]

Where is the side bar for tracking new posts and threads, this comes in handy from time to time.

[Big Al]

Originally Posted by Hairtrigger

Where is the side bar for tracking new posts and threads, this comes in handy from time to time.

Thanks for noting this. If you see any other anomalies, please post them here. Rob will be away for a few days but he'll handle them as soon as he gets back.

[JonPop]

I would like the members profiles brought back. There were bits of prrsonal information
that said a lot about a new member i.e. date of birth, location, interests, occupation, goals, etc.

[10]

It will take me some time to get used to the new format but as often as I'm here, that should be a matter of a day or two........;)

[JonPop]

I don't know if this bothers anyone else or even if anyone else has this problem but, even though I have a 17" screen, I have to keep sliding back and fourth to read the posts, to see who posted and the time it was posted. The format is just too wide.

[bozoballz]

Its all fine with me. 1:1 support sounds like a great idea. And since I purchased both the JD and Penimaster from this site I'll expect that support pronto, chief.

I kid! I kid! However a discount would make sense since if I wanted the premium package (no pun intended) I don't need the devices all over again. What I need is a personal big titty blonde to do my exercises for me. :rollseyes: Something tells me you're not blonde Al...

[Big Al]

Originally Posted by bozoballz

Its all fine with me. 1:1 support sounds like a great idea. And since I purchased both the JD and Penimaster from this site I'll expect that support pronto, chief.

We're working on offering those options pretty soon

I kid! I kid! However a discount would make sense since if I wanted the premium package (no pun intended) I don't need the devices all over again. What I need is a personal big titty blonde to do my exercises for me. :rollseyes: Something tells me you're not blonde Al... [/quote]

Nope, I'm a big hairy dark-haired guy

[Clockwatcher]

I'm serious now.

now everything is thinner, you have to get rid of all those "must read"s from the PE forum.

There are so many its very annoying to have to scroll down them every time. such a poor use of real estate.

Why not create a must read forum and have a must read link to it in the PE forum?

[Big Al]

Originally Posted by Clockwatcher

I'm serious now.

now everything is thinner, you have to get rid of all those "must read"s from the PE forum.

There are so many its very annoying to have to scroll down them every time. such a poor use of real estate.

Why not create a must read forum and have a must read link to it in the PE forum?

Thanks for the useful feedback. Rob will likely take it into consideration.

[Douglas Hamlin]

Originally Posted by Clockwatcher

Obviously this is operating as a business and wants to turn profits, fair enough, but selling e-books effectively containing advice given for free elsewhere or which have been formed from the contents and finding of the publics posts is a bad way of doing business.

For anyone's information...

I recently purchased the "Exercising the Penis" Book in hopes of finding some more detailed information on the things I have already personally researched through forums: jelqing, stretching, warm-ups, pumping, JD, supplements, etc. If you ask me... Don't waste your money. Aside from the pictures of hand techniques, and very brief, sparse information on each of them - which is no more detailed than any information you can find on the forums- you will not find anything else of value. The book is predominantly a speech about how it is possible to train and achieve PE through slow progressive exercise. Well... that's actually probably the last good point; the author stressing going slow, and the signs to pay attention to for overtraining (something to avoid) vs. healthy PE. The was no valuable information about supplements, variables of pumping or or other devices...

I would only recommend this book to someone that is brand new to PE and wants to acquire all of the information within a short time frame, as the book does provide all of the basics. However, for the seasoned forum peruser, its just a simple review.

[Big Al]

Originally Posted by Douglas Hamlin

...Aside from the pictures of hand techniques, and very brief, sparse information on each of them - which is no more detailed than any information you can find on the forums- you will not find anything else of value...
I would only recommend this book to someone that is brand new to PE and wants to acquire all of the information within a short time frame, as the book does provide all of the basics. However, for the seasoned forum peruser, its just a simple review.

You'd have to search through a lot of forums to amass the kind of data available in Mr. Kemmer's book.

[Betterman]

Originally Posted by Douglas Hamlin

For anyone's information...

I recently purchased the "Exercising the Penis" Book in hopes of finding some more detailed information on the things I have already personally researched through forums: jelqing, stretching, warm-ups, pumping, JD, supplements, etc. If you ask me... Don't waste your money. Aside from the pictures of hand techniques, and very brief, sparse information on each of them - which is no more detailed than any information you can find on the forums- you will not find anything else of value. The book is predominantly a speech about how it is possible to train and achieve PE through slow progressive exercise. Well... that's actually probably the last good point; the author stressing going slow, and the signs to pay attention to for overtraining (something to avoid) vs. healthy PE. The was no valuable information about supplements, variables of pumping or or other devices...

I would only recommend this book to someone that is brand new to PE and wants to acquire all of the information within a short time frame, as the book does provide all of the basics. However, for the seasoned forum peruser, its just a simple review.

I consider all of your views common sense, which is good. I also don't recall any site promoting a Personal Trainer. Which I find very unique.

A Very Fresh Attribute. Thanks.