Non-believers on a PE forum?

[Big Al]

I'm currently in the process of adding penis enlargement information to the "Large Penis Support Group". For a forum of such huge size and longevity, it's incredibly lacking in quality information (a situation that I'm hoping to remedy). In the process, I've run across several members that have no knowledge or real experience with PE but are quick to bash it. This ignorant behavior not only detracts from the quality of information, but it also discourages men that may be interested in trying to improve themselves.

I would really appreciate it if any members here that have had success with PE were to post a small summary of their experiences here.

[Big Al]

Originally Posted by StrokerAce69

I would be happy to post of my experience with PE Al, but am somewhat hesitant to. I enjoy helping the people on this site, and sharing my limited knowledge of the techniques to enlarge the penis. I do think ALOT of the bullshit on LPSG is just that...... Bullshit. If there are that many donkey rigged guys running around then our sense of what is normal or average is seriously skewed. The prevelant attitude on that site seems to be: If you were not born with 8-9 inches then you are small and that`s that, there is no way to change that. Well, let them think what they want IMO. We (people who are serious and dedicated to PE) know different. I think the bulk of stuff on that site is photo shopped or altered ( Depth perception, camera angle). Granted there are some HUGE fuckin cocks out there, But having spoken with numerous women over the years (who are not saints) about the subject of penis size, I have come to a conclusion. Ask a woman to show you what 8 inches is......... And then show her how long 8 inches is. Watch the look on her face. Sorry to jack your thread, I will be happy to share everything with people on this site pertaining to PE, I don`t want to be included on anything having to do with LPSG. JMO. Stroke.

I understand your point, but there are also a lot of humble folks on LPSG that are just interested in big penises or obtaining big penises. That's who I'm trying to reach with PE info.

[Big Al]

Originally Posted by StrokerAce69

The prevelant attitude on that site seems to be: If you were not born with 8-9 inches then you are small and that`s that, there is no way to change that.

Isn't is possible that the people opposed to PE are afraid that their size status will be threatened by "upstart" men that have obtained their large penises through exercises instead of being born with them. The same philosophy can be found in any kind of class system.

[Big Al]

It looks like the tide is turning there: Big_Al Appreciation Thread.

[SheKnows]

Originally Posted by Big Al

I'm currently in the process of adding penis enlargement information to the "Large Penis Support Group". For a forum of such huge size and longevity, it's incredibly lacking in quality information (a situation that I'm hoping to remedy). In the process, I've run across several members that have no knowledge or real experience with PE but are quick to bash it. This ignorant behavior not only detracts from the quality of information, but it also discourages men that may be interested in trying to improve themselves.

I would really appreciate it if any members here that have had success with PE were to post a small summary of their experiences here.

I saw this two weeks back in one of your threads on that forum.

A lot of naysayers I'd like to convert but I'm not well equipped enough yet to back you up there.

All I have are newbie gains.

[Big Al]

Originally Posted by SheKnows

I saw this two weeks back in one of your threads on that forum.

A lot of naysayers I'd like to convert but I'm not well equipped enough yet to back you up there.

All I have are newbie gains.

The problem there had more to do with negative attitudes than lack of experience. There's nothing better than "hands on" experience, though.

[SheKnows]

Originally Posted by Big Al

The problem there had more to do with a negative attitude than a lack of experience. There's nothing better than "hands on" experience, though.

I made a post anyway.

I haven't proved my gains via pictures yet because the first six weeks haven't passed.
They are there though.

....but I'll make an exception for Christmas as a treat to myself

Edit: Good luck Al, you've helped a lot of people through the years

[Big Al]

Originally Posted by SheKnows

I saw this two weeks back in one of your threads on that forum.

A lot of naysayers I'd like to convert but I'm not well equipped enough yet to back you up there.

All I have are newbie gains.

Originally Posted by SheKnows

I made a post anyways, I haven't proved my gains via pictures on the forum yet that you can use elsewhere because the first six weeks haven't passed.

I'll make an exception for christmas though as a treat to myself

Thanks- and Merry Christmas

[Big Al]

The latest...

Originally Posted by Phil Ayesho

Speaking as a skeptic... something is amiss...

I have to say that, given the level of interest... ANY company that could market an enlargement techniques that verifiably yielded significant results would be making money hand over fist.

Look at Pfizer... how many years were folks pushing herbal and other BS remedies for impotence... but ONE company Accidentally discovering ONE drug that can be PROVEN to work and BAM! Billions of dollars and a whole industry of competing products.

Testimonials aside... an enlargement treatment or regimen that showed SIGNIFICANT results that could be scientifically verified would sell billions worth.

Think of the asian market alone...

Pfizer did not ask the buying public to verify their findings... they KNEW they had an effective product and THEY funded the research that proved it.

Given the sums of money that stand to be made... any company with an EFFECTIVE penis enlargement product would be paying for the double blind scientific studies to prove their claims...

The fact that no company can point to such proof shows that they know full well their product is malarky, or that they have DONE the studies and found their product ineffectual.

Traction is the only proven method of penis enlargement... in terms of length... but for the vast majority, the gains will be marginal....

Trust me, when a truly efficacious product comes along that can show good results in MOST customers... you will see the major companies buying the rights and marketing it.

How do you explain the success of the many companies that have marketed ineffective enlargement procedures that have made money "hand over fist"? A product will often sell well more from marketing techniques and advertising budgets than because of its quality.

I'll sum this up because this same argument has already been made several times in some form or another on this forum. Your "everyone would be doing it" logic is flawed for the same reason that sound dietary and exercise advice isn't followed by the majority of fitness-conscious people- real PE requires work, dedication and education.

Doing PE exercises isn't like taking a pill or having a surgical procedure done. There's no glamour in having to having to learn how to do your exercises correctly, workout several times a week, closely log your sessions, wait weeks for measureable results, and months or even years to reach your goals. It's something that you have to do for yourself.

PE workouts will appeal to those of us that are already disciplined enough to recognize that it's not a shortcut. If you're the kind of person that's able to set goals for themselves and has the discipline to stick to a prescribed regimen, then PE exercises will be a natural fit. If you're not, then perhaps you should wait for a surefire, easy solution to come along to fulfill your needs.

I'm always amazed at the quantity of men that want a bigger penis but decry PE exercises because they're waiting for some "surefire" method to come along. These are the kinds of men that wish for good things in life but sit on the sidelines as other men go out and work hard for the good things they desire. Some of these men will even cry sour grapes so that they have an excuse for not succeeding.

I'm sure that if science were to come up with a way to give men the penises of their dreams with a very simple, convenient, and effective procedure, most men would jump at the chance to purchase just such a product. Until then, men that are truly serious about increasing their penis' size and fitness levels will do it using the most effective method found so far for improving penis size AND function: PE exercises.

One thing though- PE has taught me a lot about myself, and there's nothing like the feeling of knowing that I was able to change something so important (to me) as my penis size and sexual stamina through my own efforts. It was amazing to see the changes in my penis from week to week- all due to my tenacity! It gave me a sense of self-confidence and accomplishment that no pill or surgery could ever do.

[JonPop]

A+ on your post Big Al. Post of the month.

[Big Al]

Originally Posted by JonPop

A+ on your post Big Al. Post of the month.

Thank you

[bozoballz]

Personally anything worth having is worth working for. I find the process of PE to be it's own reward, as Al said, it's taught me a lot about myself. I agree, excellent post Al.

[W.M.P.]

One too many humans are just deeply conditioned into the way of instant gratification like it's the way to go. Hence all the Bowflex machines gathering dust, all the unused gym memberships, all the expensive mountain bikes that have never seen a speck of dirt, the long lines at every single fast-food joint, surfborads that were only used for half a day, ect. People want everything served fast and easy; it's all about taking a pill, pressing a button and going as hands-free as possible in this world.

The very reason why I don't bother measuring often with PE, is the same reason why I don't bother steppin' on the scale too often at the gym. I take tremendous joy and pleasure in the journey in and of itself, instead of doing things simply as a motion towards a set goal. I do keep track of what I do, just to show how consistent I'm being and to see if I'm truly pushing myself or if I've been slacking around; other than that, I just enjoy the process for what it's worth, honoring each and every second of it for it's intrinsic value instead of having my mind and focus somewhere other than that very workout. Each workout is as tiny a step as it is extremely important and significant, when considering what each one of those perceived tiny steps is progressively adding up to.

[JonPop]

Pretty cool and very true. I very much enjoyed the journey. And ya know what? It started with a single Jelq.

[10]

Well, I will tell anyone here and now that this shit works. If they choose not to believe, that's their personal problem. When I can go from a regular condom to a Trojan Magnum which is designed and made for a more well endowed man and wear it comfortably without any slippage..........that's all the proof I need.

[Big Al]

It just gets me that so many people have becomed conditioned to instant gratification and ignorance. What happened to rolling up your sleeves and giving something a good honest try? There was even one member on that thread that refused to do any PE because he didn't think it would work! I understand that risk-aversion has become an increasingly popular characteristic amongst most people but that's ridiculous! What was sad about that particular member was that several months before he had been asking questions about PE, but decided not to try it because he had read that some medical professional doubted its effectiveness. He'll hide behind the excuse that "Dr. So-and-so said it's BS" and deny himself the possibility of a bigger penis because. That's the perfect example of someone that has a fear of failure.

[JonPop]

Dr. Lin has screwed up a lot of people.

[lifted]

I would but im busy with four forums already. When my hands are not playing with my dick, im typing or washing dishes at work, or fixing corte au blue, or stuffing mushrooms.

[10]

Originally Posted by Big Al

It just gets me that so many people have becomed conditioned to instant gratification and ignorance. What happened to rolling up your sleeves and giving something a good honest try? There was even one member on that thread that refused to do any PE because he didn't think it would work! I understand that risk-aversion has become an increasingly popular characteristic amongst most people but that's ridiculous! What was sad about that particular member was that several months before he had been asking questions about PE, but decided not to try it because he had read that some medical professional doubted its effectiveness. He'll hide behind the excuse that "Dr. So-and-so said it's BS" and deny himself the possibility of a bigger penis because. That's the perfect example of someone that has a fear of failure.

You know Al, I couldn't agree more. What initially drove me into PE was watching porn and seeing these guys with just huge dicks..........huge ones! I decided then (circa 2003) that a big dick was what I wanted. I was one such guy who did roll up his sleeves, saw a long........LONG road ahead and got my hands dirty and did it. 4 years later, I've got me a BIG dick and I have this process to thank for it. I figured my dick would only get bigger with certain stiumlus and when I got my hands on a PJ for the first time, oh my word was that powerful!!

[Big Al]

Originally Posted by JonPop

Dr. Lin has screwed up a lot of people.

People like him and bogus supplement companies like the owners of Longitude had a lot to do with it. When I first started introducing manual PE courses over 10 years ago, most men were sensibly skeptical but more curious than anything else. Nowadays, mention any kind of PE to an uninformed group and a good percentage of them will claim it's all a scam or worse yet- suggest surgery instead.

[Big Al]

Update-

The LPSG PE forum has done almost a complete turnaround in their collective opinion of PE. They now have guys trying PE and posting their journals!

The only issues I have are the occasional trolls that are intent on "proving" me wrong using illogic and ad hominem attacks. Fortunately, they're not that common anymore, and the Ignore function allows me to continue working there without interference.

[Pegasus]

Of course, the reason there isn't billions$ to be made, is that you can't patent hard work.
There is a thread "what would make you believe", the answer was seeing it. In time the word will get out regards pe. People will know of JP and Al as visionarys.

[Betterman]

Originally Posted by Big Al

Update-

The LPSG PE forum has done almost a complete turnaround in their collective opinion of PE. They now have guys trying PE and posting their journals!

The only issues I have are the occasional trolls that are intent on "proving" me wrong using illogic and ad hominem attacks. Fortunately, they're not that common anymore, and the Ignore function allows me to continue working there without interference.

All anyone can do, is put forth the truest information available, plant the seed, per say. Then the individual has to make their own conclusions.

[Big Al]

Originally Posted by Betterman

All anyone can do, is put forth the truest information available, plant the seed, per say. Then the individual has to make their own conclusions.

True...very true.

Controversial concepts usually go through these stages- first comes the ridicule, then the concept is challenged, and finally there's acceptance.

[Betterman]

Originally Posted by Big Al

True...very true.

Controversial concepts usually go through these stages- first comes the ridicule, then the concept is challenged, and finally there's acceptance.

All I know is, with various routines I have gained 2" in length, 3/4" in girth. This didn't happen overnight. This is from someone who donates his time.

[bozoballz]

This whole process is similar to a spiritual journey. Such a journey is mainly hard work and bearing hardships... you have so many want to start such a journey because the results of spiritually advanced people are wondrous.... like a 6" penis guy imagining what it would be like having an 8" cock. But most won't put in the actual work and bear the hardships of such a journey. Even when presented with the proper information and other supporting conditions they don't have the true grit to make the journey. For this reason PE will never truly become main stream... but there are those that can be reached.

Accomplishments aside, as I've already stated, I enjoy the journey. I'm happy for what I have gained considering my dick was so small when I started it could barely be called a dick... it was... a tiny thing. Now at least I have a penis.

Part of what keeps me going is the wide variety of techniques concerning PE. If one thing isn't working for you try another.... then perhaps, later on, go back.. or try some thing new. In this way things don't get too boring. There are so many techniques it will take me quite a while before I exhaust this process... if I ever do. And that seems to be the crux of it.... I will probably have a hard time quitting until I exhaust this process and all it's techniques. Then again maybe I'll just up and quit.... and like... move to the moon... or follow some old jedi clear across the galaxy only to find my true father is some evil son-of-a-bitch who I'm destined to fight and bring back to the light while destroying his evil master the process thereby restoring peace to the galaxy.

Sure!

[JonPop]

You've just earned yourself a role in my next "Star Knights" noval, Sir Jeff.
Great post by the way. The trouble with trying to exhaust the process or techniques, is;
There is always a new wrinkle or exercise that someone will come up with that will be a "Must Try" for everyone.
If you move to the moon, think how easy it would be to pull a vacuum. *Hee*

[Big Al]

Originally Posted by Betterman

All I know is, with various routines I have gained 2" in length, 3/4" in girth. This didn't happen overnight. This is from someone who donates his time.

Excellent gains :) Further proof that with hard work, you can accomplish your goals.

We've had a rash of trolls go through LPSG's PE forum lately. One got really pissed when I gave instructions on how to ignore them- even going so far as threatening me. I'm still there though :)

It's likely that they may even be sockpuppets, given that "each" troll goes out of his (her?) way to be distinctive with their posts (different font colors, use of emoticons)- although the message is much the same. That's also given the fact that we haven't had many in the past few months, and suddenly they've decided to descend on this post.

[Betterman]

Originally Posted by Big Al

Excellent gains :) Further proof that with hard work, you can accomplish your goals.

We've had a rash of trolls go through LPSG's PE forum lately. One got really pissed when I gave instructions on how to ignore them- even going so far as threatening me. I'm still there though :)

It's likely that they may even be sockpuppets, given that "each" troll goes out of his (her?) way to be distinctive with their posts (different font colors, use of emoticons)- although the message is much the same. That's also given the fact that we haven't had many in the past few months, and suddenly they've decided to descend on this post.

Thanks! The best method to fail at anything, is to simply give up.

[Big Al]

Originally Posted by Betterman

Thanks! The best method to fail at anything, is to simply give up.

I believe that. It's fear and ignorance that hold people back from achieving their true potential.

[Betterman]

Originally Posted by Big Al

I believe that. It's fear and ignorance that hold people back from achieving their true potential.

So true, quite possibly issues of maturity. Meaning, people may be too preoccupied with others perception of them. Which with any perception, it is constantly in change. I can't comprehend how people can attempt to live their lives upon what others might perceive.

[JonPop]

We can always put on our armor and go over there and clean out the trolls' nest.
BetterMan Knights at your service.

[Pegasus]

Actually Phil makes perfect sense from a logical view. If someone who wanted money from me, was telling me about PE before I did it, I would say the same.
I read an article that mentioned jelq, about 2 sentances. No money to be made; it said that jelq was good for penis health and size. Well I did not believe about the size, but I had already been doing kegals for years, so I added some jelq for health. It was some time before I realised my dick had grown a little bit bigger. This encouraged me, however my ex didn't want the extra size and so I stoped. When she became my ex I found a new girl and betterman and resumed the journey.

Now, would I have believed someone, that I thought was going to sell me something, no way. It was only through personal experience.

So I say don't be so quick to knock, PE takes a real leap of faith for many.
Rather congratulate the few who will be the vanguard.
The betterman knights.