Igf-1

anon77 · 11-04-2008, 09:58 AM

Is there anybody here who knows a lot about IGF-1 and steroids etc?

I've never taken any steroids before, but have been on paroxetine which has caused 100% total loss of libido and also impotence which hasn't gone away even though I haven't taken it for many months. According to wiki, in some people these side effects are permanant. I also now have gynecomastia which makes me suspect its something to with hormone levels. My docs say that it's purely psychological as a result of depression and refuse to accept that it's caused by the pills they prescribed. They also think that I should lose a bit more weight (even though I never had gynecomastia when I was a lot heavier).

I know that IGF-1 is used by steroid users who have f***ed up their system to reverse testicle atrophy, so wondering if it could help with my symptoms? Also I'm more than aware theres a lot of risks involved with it, like growth of all tissue including internal organs etc, and not sure if it's safe. I should know all this cr*p but I can't remember.

I remember Supra was taking IGF-1 for PE a while back, I asked him if he had any side effects from it (assuming Supra at MOS is the same one that used to post here a few years back) but guess he doesn't have time to reply these days, so hoping someone here can.

Appologies to the mods if this is in the wrong sub-forum, wasn't really sure where to post it.

Pegasus · 11-15-2008, 12:10 PM

This is tough a77; perhaps you need a new doc. I have little knowledge in this area, but bodybuilders do take drugs to reverse the side effects of roids. How that helps you is another question.

anon77 · 04-21-2009, 11:36 AM

Sorry to resurect old threads but I don't have net access and can't go to this website at the library when there's people looking over my shoulder!

About a year on I still have most of the symptoms of low testosterone despite not being on medication for a long time. All doctors look at my medical history and decide it's in my head and wont offer tests because of costs. So it's up to me to treat myself I guess.

What I was thinking was the root cause may be to do with how paroxetine rewires the brain, maybe its affected the part of the brain that deals with hormone production and shut down testosterone production the same as if I'd taken lots of steroids without cycling them.

If thats the case then starting the body's natural testosterone production would be the same as steroid users. I dont know much about it though, only that it involves IGF-1. I thought about getting some andractrim but that might make things worse if my theory is correct. (Andractrim and steroid possession for personal use is ok in the UK as long as not giving to anyone else).

Pegasus · 04-21-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by anon77

Sorry to resurect old threads but I don't have net access and can't go to this website at the library when there's people looking over my shoulder!

About a year on I still have most of the symptoms of low testosterone despite not being on medication for a long time. All doctors look at my medical history and decide it's in my head and wont offer tests because of costs. So it's up to me to treat myself I guess.

What I was thinking was the root cause may be to do with how paroxetine rewires the brain, maybe its affected the part of the brain that deals with hormone production and shut down testosterone production the same as if I'd taken lots of steroids without cycling them.

If thats the case then starting the body's natural testosterone production would be the same as steroid users. I dont know much about it though, only that it involves IGF-1. I thought about getting some andractrim but that might make things worse if my theory is correct. (Andractrim and steroid possession for personal use is ok in the UK as long as not giving to anyone else).

You are off track ,bodybuilders take so many drugs it is no wonder you are confused. I don't think IGF-1 is to do with restarting the test production.
You say drugs caused your problem, be very carefull with using more.

Pegasus · 04-21-2009, 01:01 PM

Ps Andractrim is a roid, this might have further side effects.

anon77 · 04-23-2009, 05:44 PM

If it doesn't restart testosterone production, then how does it work? I read a few articles about how it can reverse shrunken testicles by steroid users, if it was working just by boosting T levels, then wouldnt the atrophy return one it is stopped?

I know androgel is a steroid, it's topical DHT, but just thought if I cant get rid of the cause may as well try to treat the symtoms, could make things worse but at the moment it's a risk I'm willing to take.

If anyone reading this ever gets depression, research side effects (and their duration) before accepting any meds from the doc. PSSD (Post SSRI sexual dysfunction) wasn't recognised at all until recently and even now is still not well known about, although wiki and yahoogroups are spreading more information.

Pegasus · 04-23-2009, 11:41 PM

Igf1 is I believe growth hormone, androgel and andractrim are roids.
Am not a bodybuilder, but on their websites and chat are constant references to drugs to restart sexual function. Part of the reason, I now avoid them. I suggest you get medical help, failing that a bodybuilding site might have more info.
Sikdog would have this info, but we haven't seen him for some time.
Good luck

sikdogg · 07-15-2009, 05:19 PM

Adractim = DHT gel
Androgel = Testosterone gel

They both contain active hormones so yes they both contain a "steroid". These gels are used for hormone replacement therapy but are generally not as effective as injections. for reason that we can discuss if wanted...

IGF-1 is not growth hormone... but is much more effective than growth hormone for the purposes of bodybuilding. For increasing testosterone levels, it's not very effective.

If you suspect that you have low testosterone, then you really need to get tested. No and's, if's, or but's about it... If your doctor won't do it then find another. There are many conditions that can cause hypogonadism or low test. Here's a quote from Dr. Crisler's (a well-known and respected doctor that specializes in treating hypogonadism) website:

Quote:

Q: What diseases and conditions are associated with hypogonadism?

Cardiovascular disease
Cancer
Diabetes
Metabolic Syndrome X
Osteoporosis
Depression
Dementia (including Alzheimer's)
Erectile Dysfunction

That is a scary list, to be sure! One of the scarier conditions is Metabolic Syndrome X which has only recently begun to receive much public attention. Metabolic Syndrome is an insulin-insensitivity condition that is believed to be the precursor to adult-onset diabetes. It is estimated that approximately 47 million Americans (22%) now have Metabolic Syndrome. For persons 60-69 years of age, the prevalence rises to 42%.

Metabolic Syndrome (also called Syndrome X) is defined as the simultaneous presence of 3 of the following 5 risk factors:

Abdominal obesity (beer belly): waist circumference greater than 40 inches in men; 35 inches in women.

Elevated blood pressure: greater than 130/85 mmHg.

Decreased HDL (the "good") cholesterol: less than 40 mg/dL in men; less than 50 mg/dL in women.

Elevated triglycerides: greater than 150 mg/dL.

Elevated fasting glucose: greater than 110 mg/dL.

Left untreated, people with Metabolic Syndrome are at increased risk of cancer, diabetes, heart disease, and erectile dysfunction. We learn more about this condition nearly every day, but many signs point to the possibility that HRT may help to prevent and/or delay the onset of Metabolic Syndrome. It may even help you to partially overcome the condition.

I strongly suggest you go to your doctor and force the issue... if your doctor pushes back, FIND ANOTHER!!!