04-26-2009, 01:55 AM
|
#1 (permalink)
| | Coach
Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Central FL
Posts: 1,643
| Pros and cons from penile traction study by George Atkinson An Italian study into the effectiveness of penile traction devices has confirmed increases in length, but found no changes in girth. The new study, appearing in urology journal BJU International, was conducted by researchers from San Giovanni Battista Hospital, part of the University of Turin. The new findings build on earlier research into extenders carried out by researchers from the Rush University Medical Center in Chicago that established positive outcomes from a study into their use to treat Peyronie's disease. That study found that "significant (10-45 degrees) improvement in curvatures is achievable" and that extender use was an effective first option for treating Peyronie's. In the new phase II study, the researchers aimed to establish whether or not extenders could provide an increase in penile size. The subject group consisted of fifteen men who were counseled in how to use the penile extender correctly for at least 4 hours per day. Penile dimensions were measured at the beginning (baseline) and thereafter at 1, 3, 6 and 12 month intervals. Additionally, the erectile function (EF) domain of the International Index of EF was administered at baseline and at the end of the study. Treatment satisfaction was assessed using an institutional five-item questionnaire. After 6 months the researchers found that the mean gain in length was significant, meeting the goals of the effect size, at 2.3 and 1.7 cm (0.9 and 0.65 inches) for the flaccid and stretched penis, respectively. No significant changes in penile girth were detected, however. Interestingly, the EF domain scores improved significantly at the end of study. The researchers noted that treatment satisfaction scores were consistent with acceptable to good improvement in all items, except for penile girth, where the score was either "no change" or "mild improvement." The researchers concluded that penile extenders should be regarded as a minimally invasive and effective treatment option to elongate the penile shaft in patients seeking treatment for a short penis. Related: PubMed abstract of the length study Traction Diary Enlargement FAQ Source: BJU International |
| |
04-26-2009, 03:54 AM
|
#2 (permalink)
| | Super Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Australia
Posts: 1,444
| No mention of erect gains AL, but seems to be an effective method for flacid gains.
My flacid has always bee ok though.  |
| |
04-26-2009, 05:30 AM
|
#3 (permalink)
| | Coach
Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Central FL
Posts: 1,643
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Pegasus No mention of erect gains AL, but seems to be an effective method for flacid gains.
My flacid has always bee ok though.  | The Andropenis company has sponsored a few other studies that have shown definite gains in erect length as well using extenders: Andropenis® - Studies supporting penile enlargement |
| |
04-26-2009, 07:35 AM
|
#4 (permalink)
| | Super Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Australia
Posts: 1,444
| Very interesting, even though sponsored by maker.
Was this latest study also Andro penis sponsored?
See they only talk about disease, or small to micro penis. |
| |
04-26-2009, 05:04 PM
|
#5 (permalink)
| | Coach
Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Central FL
Posts: 1,643
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Pegasus Very interesting, even though sponsored by maker.
Was this latest study also Andro penis sponsored?
See they only talk about disease, or small to micro penis. | Yes, they're behind a lot of the research being done on extenders in Europe. The European medical system is a bit more liberated than ours. Andropenis' extenders are the prototype for all of the major spring-loaded extenders available today.
If you thoroughly read through the literature, you'll see that not all of the studies dealt with disease. Their definition of "short penis" is mostly based on the subjects' self assessments, and they take into account the subjects' confidence levels. This is a refreshing point of view, especially when you consider that a lot of Western docs (not the phalloplasticians) will just tell you to "be happy with what you have".
If you look at the data, you'll see that the average measurements were not that much smaller than what's considered "average" (their measurements might be a truer representation of what's average since they were done under clinical settings). Their penises wouldn't have fit the definition of "micropenis". |
| |
04-27-2009, 07:36 AM
|
#6 (permalink)
| | Super Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Australia
Posts: 1,444
| Still ,we have here many members who start with an over average penis. I think it spreads the wrong message re PE, to refer to all people using it as small to micro penis.
As they (the Andropenis people) refer to them. |
| |
04-27-2009, 07:44 AM
|
#7 (permalink)
| | Super Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Australia
Posts: 1,444
| Andropenis® not only appeals to men suffering from short penis or an abnormally small penis (micropenis) or peyronie's disease but also to doctors and other medical practitioners in the fields of urology and andrology.
Here is the passage. Now I and many of our members don't fit any of those catorgories.
I suppose research sponsored by the maker is better than no research.
Would really like to see some independent stuff.
Doc's have a lot to answer for IMO. |
| |
04-27-2009, 04:48 PM
|
#8 (permalink)
| | Coach
Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Central FL
Posts: 1,643
| I think their choice of subjects for these trials depends on who "needs" it most. The medical community as a whole- even in other parts of the world- is conservative by nature. They're not as interested as helping already large penised men as they are in helping men with real size deficiencies- especially when their funds and time are being used.
You have to understand that a lot of docs see what we're doing as "frivolous"- men with ordinary or even greater-than-ordinary sized penises trying to make them larger. Yes, there's the improved stamina portion of PE routines that can apply to all men, but again, PE for most of us wouldn't be considered "necessary" to any medical experts. That's one reason why many of them don't take it seriously.
That being said, the medical community can learn a lot from PE pioneers that had added significant amounts of size to their penises using extenders, manual PE, hanging, etc. Men like BIB and DLD who have added a tremendous amount of size to their penises using some of these methods are worthy of study, and their techniques can be applied to men that "need" them. |
| |
04-28-2009, 07:42 AM
|
#9 (permalink)
| | Super Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Australia
Posts: 1,444
| Had bad dealings with medical people in the past. They often seem to think ,they have god given moral directive. |
| |
04-28-2009, 02:39 PM
|
#10 (permalink)
| | Coach
Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Central FL
Posts: 1,643
| Some do. I've had the good fortune of being able to work with some very educated and very humble medical professionals in my career. Unfortunately, many of them will tell you that natural methods of PE isn't something that they can admit to participating in. It's the fear of ridicule and ostracism that stops them from doing so :(
Fortunately, it seems as if things are slowly making a turn for the better in that regards. |
| |
05-25-2009, 07:47 PM
|
#11 (permalink)
| | Minister of Philosophy, Moderator
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,552
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Al Some do. I've had the good fortune of being able to work with some very educated and very humble medical professionals in my career. Unfortunately, many of them will tell you that natural methods of PE isn't something that they can admit to participating in. It's the fear of ridicule and ostracism that stops them from doing so :(
Fortunately, it seems as if things are slowly making a turn for the better in that regards. | I used to keep a mum's the word in the past. Somehow at work I mentioned it to one person. Now I think the whole workplace knows I practice PE. I notice them always looking at my crotch, partially due to a visible package, partially due to I get more erections throughout the day.
One of these days I'm going to say..."50 years old and in the best shape of my life." 
__________________
If you always do what you've already done. You'll always go where you've already gone.
|
| |
06-28-2009, 11:14 PM
|
#12 (permalink)
| | Super Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Australia
Posts: 1,444
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Al Some do. I've had the good fortune of being able to work with some very educated and very humble medical professionals in my career. Unfortunately, many of them will tell you that natural methods of PE isn't something that they can admit to participating in. It's the fear of ridicule and ostracism that stops them from doing so :(
Fortunately, it seems as if things are slowly making a turn for the better in that regards. | Could make some comment, similar to the play The Crucible.
Of course the medical people are already involved in PE ,of the surgical kind.
This of course, is where they can make a buck.
Seems to me, they do not want to legatimise the competition. |
| | |
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | | | | Thread Tools | | | | Rate This Thread | | |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT. The time now is 03:02 PM. |