Pegasus

Re the thread topic. If you are going for a porn star sized dick, many girls find them hard to deal with . More commonly this is length, but girth can be an issue also. Even pre pe at "only' 5.5"bpeg petite asian girls didn't always like my girth. At 7.75" bpel I often had to take it easy with average sized westerners. Some of the girthy members, have issues with oral.
Re size of ex boyfriends, if it is not plauisible then you should question accuracy to say the least. Of course they might still have had several large boyfriends.
Take swingergirl,she told me she had a dozen or so similar sized to me ; some a little less length but a little more girth. She had 3 larger; 2 were "a little longer, not a lot but enough to notice" so say 8.5"bpel perhaps geting near 9" and noticibly thicker perhaps around 6.5"bpeg. The third guy was my length 8" or perhaps a little less and "outlandishly" thick.
Now notice, there is no guy there over 9" and she had over 1000 partners. In fact only a couple were enough over 8" to notice. Of course there is still the matter of a dozen or so around my size. Let me say again though, over a 1000 partners. So I do find this plausible ;why 1000 partners. By the way, I wasn't the slighest concerened ,that she had had 3 guys bigger than me. It did piss me ,that only those 3 were regarded as big. Personally, I thought they should go into an ultra catorgory and the top 10% regarded as big.

Pegasus

It strikes me, there are 3 things to think on, in regard with going bigger. The first is your ego. Now here, we get guys, who want to trip over their conversation piece. Second is general useability;-- can most girls, I want to do it to, handle this. The third is general useability, can my wife/girlfriend handle what I want to build. Now notice, the second 2 both put limits on you. What those limits are, depend on the sort of girl you like, in both the general and specific sense. Ahhh umm, also with what you want to do with your dick to them.

Hairtrigger

Every woman I been with has told me they have had larger but I do know that we had a good time regardless. I would consider the source of your information and go with that, she should know best about what she wants.

If You really want to rock her world focus more on EQ and Stamina, when it comes down to it this will get her attention before size will and besides you are not lacking in size anyways.

I just wanted to say something to Peg right quick about the stats. The world of the internet has the stats thrown for a loop. it's not about random selection it's about getting online and asking point blank and making a choice. That being said a woman can sleep with 10 guys and all of them be over 8-9 inches if she wanted.

I must add one word to this,,,,,webcam.

WhitePhoenix

Yes that is very true. However, you also have to consider that would be very hard to achieve without SEEING those (and more) dudes naked before having them. That's because there's no known relationship between dick size and any other externally visible element - like nose, feet, hands and whatever the hell else has been said to be relevant through the ages.

So unless a girl goes around auditioning dick sizes before having them, that's as unlikely as a girl having 10 partners at random and 2, 3, 4, whatever number of them being really big. Yes it can happen theoretically but damn, that would be a freak of nature.

Sure, a girl can look at a man's shorts and things like that but then if she's only had 10 partners it's unlikely she chose them by dick size - women who pick JUST by dick size tend to be a bit more promiscuous than that.

Thanks all for your responses. I have resolved this issue and all your comments have helped me.

I thought about this and what she had said over and over again and something clicked in the end. Both guys she's advocating having bigger cocks were connected (in her mind) to her first guy who was a real shithead and hurt her. He also had a small dick and when her second guy had a big one, it was a way for her to get back at the ex- for what he had done.

I spoke to her about this again a few weeks back and I presented her with the possibility that she over-ranked those dicks in her head while trying to get back (in her mind) at the ex-idiot. She immediately said yes, without a second thought.

Isn't that interesting?

After thinking about it again, it made even more sense. When I was feeling like shit about my dick size after these conversations, my dick seemed small-average in my eyes. Now that I'm freed of such concerns, it looks pretty darn big. So, of course those dicks were bigger - she wanted them to be bigger.

Is it that simple?

Well, I can't say for 100%. The one of the two dudes, the supposedly huge one, she had measured. I didn't go into how thorough a measuring it was but fuck, if I can't measure my own dick reliably on first try, how could she?

Either way... whether this guy was huge or not... like already mentioned, it was impractical for her - perhaps she was younger and less experienced and that counted too.

Before I go, I wanted to make a couple of points that I think will be of interest to everyone who has contributed on this thread.

The first is about my own psychology. Like I said, I am almost 100% certain that my dick was smaller in the interval that this whole conversation happened with her. Especially when I was considering PE because of the complex that had been created in me. Now it's gone and I am certain that it's bigger than before and stiffer than before.

How is that possible? Well, if it interests you, I can offer you many readings on how much our mind can influence our bodies, even in this extreme way. Though, you only have to consider that PE is possible. The fact that you can get your dick to contain more blood than usual and dicks are flexible means that is also possible for your body to do without any intervention.

The second is about women's ability to measure. I know this has been reported before by several people but I'm not talking just about looking at a dick and judging its size. I'm talking about even using other measurements like how it fits in her fingers, mouth, pussy, whatever, or a ruler.

The same way I shaped my own dick with my own mind she shaped them. And I have some evidence for that.

As I mentioned before on the thread, she had said that having such a big dick was (for her) like being stuffed. Now, the other day, and remember we are way past the size issue so she has no reason to say that on purpose, she said she could feel me really thick but in a bad way - that "being stuffed" feeling.

How the hell is that possible? Sure, my dick IS slightly bigger than it was while we were having these conversations because of my own psychology but it's no bigger than it was BEFORE we started having them.

It makes no sense, unless you add in factors like her OWN psychology AND things like how lubricated her vagina is etc.

Hell, what a journey...

To be honest though, minus my ego, like Hairtrigger said, I can find no reason to do PE, at least with this girl. I fill her up in missionary, she can't stand any position with legs up because it hurts and going in from the back door takes a while... Going bigger would mean less positions (hell, what good is any position if you can't hammer that pussy without holding back? - for me anyway), perhaps no anal (I don't think that she'd accept using a buttplug) and potentially problems with oral.

Fuck it. At the end of the day, I'd rather have the perfect (for her) dick than the biggest.

W.M.P.

Well you're finally coming around to the truth about this whole matter and I'm glad to see that. See, one thing I've noticed since I joined this and another PE forum, is that guys find PE and suddenly they walk around with this obsession about how they're just never gonna be big enough (not to mention TOO DAMN BIG too) for any given woman. Guys start PE, and suddenly ALL they can think about 24/7 is how and when their dicks turtle up, how they need more girth, how it would be "perfect" if they had 8" (or 9, 10, etc) in BPEL with a solid measurement in girth of 6" (which when checked with a tubular object for reference, end up being quite GIGANTIC) and how when and only when they reach these benchmarks, then suddenly they'll be worthy of truly believing that a woman can have a good time with them and perhaps find him to be the "ideal man" because of his remarkable phallus. All in all it's nothing but pure lunacy that tends to flood the minds of one too many men (especially the younger ones) who join these forums and suddenly become way too focused on their penises with all its intricacies, variations, fluctuations in state and how suddenly they've found the answer to all their prayers when it comes to finding their rightful place as it relates to their dealings with women: A massive dick.

...and this is where for one too many, PE ceases to be the wonderful, healthy, satisfying, exciting endeavor it's meant to be, and turns into the proverbial grinder where perfectly normal guys step into, only to come out the other side as insecure, pathetic losers who will never find themselves worthy of a woman nor his own place as a man in this world regardless of how big their dicks grow to be...cause in the end they'll just never, ever be big enough.

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JonPop

Wow. That was pretty fookin profound there brother, W.M.P. Great post.
Chock full of truisms.

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Pegasus

Um HT here the thing, guys lie about their dick size. If they want to do a girl who likes a big dick, all of a sudden 7" becomes 8" or 9". The only way a girl could get a given size, is by pulling out a tape before allowing entry to her bed. Any photo stuff; well I won't even go there.
As you say though, if an attractive girl posted on the net ,you can do me if you have over 8", she would get a lot of big dicks, some would even be over 8". But again this is not the action of someone who has had a limited number of partners. If a girl tells you, she has had 8 partners lifetime and 4 of them were over 8" ,she is full of shit. What particular sort of shit who knows. If she says she has had a lot of partners, that is a different matter.

Pegasus

PS
For each guy over 7" a girl has had, read 10 partners.
For each guy over 8" read 50 to a 100 partners.
If she is on the net, trolling for guys over 9", read 1000 plus.

Caucasianasian

WP,

Deja Vu here too.

Mate, same circumstances, same accidental conversation, same outcome. Not to hijack your thread, but apparently I am second to someone much bigger, and this came out in a non-malicious way in a conversation, which like yours was accidental and much regretted. (We were at an adult shop for a look around and a bit of a laugh, I looked at what I thought was a large dildo and said that it must have been taken from a giant cock...but apparently I was wrong)

Since then I have been going out of my mind about it, like you. I now enjoy poor erection quality, lack of libido, and lack of interest in anything sexual including porn and including her. I truly sympathize with you in that everything has happened almost exactly as you have said. It was almost like I was looking at something I had written. She has even made the comment about the bigger guy filling her too much and hurting a bit, comments about him not being a particularly good lover, comments about him not being able to make her come, and that I am the perfect size for her....blah, blah, blah.

All this takes it's toll on one's ego, and I can certainly understand your position. I tried to think what she says about me is true, but the fact that she told me that her and her friends used to have a nickname for this guy, "coke can" and that they used to laugh together about it, and the fact that in my opinion, most women will lie to you face to face when asked the question, 'does size really matter', puts doubt in my mind that what she's saying is true, especially when coupled with the love she feels for me. Sure, she may feel in her mind that I am the best for her, but I think she is biased by love and emotion. The fact is that like you, my ego and what makes me feel like a man was shattered that day and nothing she says will fix it. What matters is not that she feels I am the best for her now that she is in love with me, it is the hypothetical situation of me and him standing side by side, and her not knowing either one of us particularly well...who would she look at first? I'm sure I, as the smaller guy would be second, and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

I can offer no positive advice here for you, as I am currently at the same point in the story as you are. I just want to let you know you are not alone here. This whole situation is the reason I came across PE...I was so messed up I was making plans for surgery and in my research came across this board. I have gained from 6.2 ~ 6.9 in length and from 4.7 ~ 5.1 in girth, but I will never achieve a size that will put this matter to rest, and I still hear that "I've SEEN a giant cock Sweetie", and "We all used to call him 'coke can' and we had a good laugh about it", in the back of my head. I keep thinking, "well it couldn't have been too painfully filling if you told all your friends, and then sat around and had a laugh about it with them"...

My ego has gotten the better of me too. I have started to look at her differently, and that is a shame because I love her dearly. All I can say is good luck to you brother, hopefully we will come out on the other side of this positively with a healthy functioning relationship. One can only try.

Cheers,
CA

Caucasianasian

WP, Sorry, I missed your last entry on this thread. Good to see it worked out for ya. I'm still not there, and don't know if I will ever be, but that is something I will have to live with if it ruins things with my girl. There is not much control to be had with feeling like this...one can't just switch off the feelings, and the onset of pretty severe ED comes from my mind and my ego, fixing it is a big task.

Happy for you mate! You came out on top. Good on you!!

Cheers,
CA

happy stud

I think while some guys are so busy trying to exercise their dick to 8 or 9 inches guys like me are fucking all those women they could be fucking with their current 5 or 6 inch dicks.

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This is an incredibly true post here W.M.P. The only thing I'd ad to make it even better is the fact that guys tend to think that their penis is the ONLY thing a woman is after. We are sooooooooo much more to a woman than a freakin' piece of meat with a dick attached for girls to play with. You can have a huge dick but if you've got a shitty personality and you're a douche bag, then your screwed. And besides, if it's too big, the sex for her isn't going to be that enjoyable. The idea here is to give you some added size for your own personal self fulfillment BUT, to give her some added pleasure in the bedroom.

I do know and understand how the mind fucks with you and I further understand how some guys might think that if they don't have a penis big enough, life simply wouldn't be worth living. That's complete and total nonsense! Again, we're human beings, not pieces of meat with a dick attached. Women want us for our hearts, souls, personalities and our abilities to make them laugh and feel comfortable. What good would it do you to be 8x6 and have the sense of humor of a dry, stale piece of bread and a personality that was even more boring? These are things you've got to think about.

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Betterman

A few years back, my mindset changed from enlargement, to maintaining good health. So between exercising in the bedroom with Mi Lady, and a mild routine in the morning. I haven't recieved any complaints or reactions from her or events in the sexual arena. I still perform and act like a clown occasionally. You only live once.

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Pegasus

amen!!!!!!!

WhitePhoenix

To CA and to all:

Well, a month and a half later I can tell you that the only damage this whole thing has done was to my ego. I still think about it sometimes and it pisses me off but at least I can sleep at night and my performance is as good as it can be.

These are the facts for me, and I hope you soon reach the same conclusion.

First of all, let's address the obvious: I would certainly be flattered and feel even better if I was her biggest. Yes, my ego is a little deflated most of the time and very deflated at times. Do I know for certain they were bigger than me or not? Well, I have no idea and she's not sure either. She remembers it that way but there are several things that make us unsure, both.

Does it matter? No. I'm a much better lover than any of her ex's has been, regardless of dick size.

Incidentally, I happened to pick up one of them porn books that women read and call them romance the other day when I was bored waiting for my flight. This one.

Then, I came home and read this in my e-mail and I realized a few more things...

I suggest you buy this book, it's very interesting. I've read the first 3-4 chapters and the dude's package is mentioned 2-3 times. Only MENTIONED, not analyzed. The woman who wrote it says it's big and the guy supposedly boasts about it later on but you will notice that there is no mention of his dick size in any of the fucking descriptions. Nothing about how it fits or how much it hurts, none of it.

Remember, this is a woman's fantasy, she has constructed this story from thin air and she could have made it whatever she wanted it, and she has. Yes, she designed the cock to be big - in the top league - BUT: she only mentioned how big it is when she initially describes the man visually - that demonstrates that it probably looks good to have a bigger cock or it may be visually impressive. The other mention is when the dude boasts about it - that demonstrates confidence and cockiness on his part - that's what is attractive about him, not the cock itself.

So... in a woman's fantasy, the cock's size occupied about 3-4 lines. All the rest hundreds of lines were about how sexually liberated the woman was by this guy - how he built up sexual tension so expertly and how he knew what she wanted better than she did herself.

Realizing that even if I had a bigger cock than anyone she's had, another dude with a small dick could come by and steal her from me because he would give her more pleasure, I have abandoned any thoughts of starting PE and started studying how to build up even more sexual tension, how to give her even more intense orgasms and how to liberate her even more.

Careful what you wish for I guess.

Min'sGirl

I will like to point out that PE does more than make your dick bigger. It will make your erections harder, last longer, you will have more control over your dick, your dick will become more sensitive, sex will feel better, and your orgasms will become more intense. All this will give YOU more confidence and make you want to do it better, because it will increase her pleasure too, because when you are feeling it better and you are an attentive lover you will be wanting to make it even better for her too.

Pegasus

Every post of yours is a pearl Min's.

happy stud

Damn I think I know where White Phoenix is now.

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WhitePhoenix

And where might that be??

southern tz

I agree exactly! It is a shame some guys obsess over size instead of trying to just trying to pleasure the woman and themselves!!

slickwillie

Yep, adding size is great but I enjoy the better sex life more than anything else!
Of course when Monica says old Slick feels bigger/longer, that's never a bad thing either. :)