Old 02-08-2010, 08:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 02-09-2010, 12:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Thought this idea was fairly widespread Al it has been around awhile.
The east europeans were ahead of us in the recovery area.
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Old 02-09-2010, 05:15 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thought this idea was fairly widespread Al it has been around awhile.
The east europeans were ahead of us in the recovery area.
This training philosophy is a little underused or has been co-opted into the "HIT" movement of training. From my training experience, my best results have come from somewhere in between what could be termed "typical" powerlifting regimens and HIT. I don't agree with training 100% out each time, nor do I think that only one set of training will suffice for gains. Of course, this is based on my experience, and applies to me.

I recall reading about "Bulgarian" training methods back in the 80s. IIRC, they recommended the opposite approach- often training 3 or more times per day, 6 days a week.
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The Bulgarian approach was very complex, much of the training was either technique or neuro muscular. They also made use of recovery techniques ahead of their time.

Have to agree with a lot that you are saying, though this idea is well known it is underused. So are recovery techniques and the full periodisation protocol.

Don't know what typical powerlifting training might mean these days? There have been so many influences on it in the last couple of decades. I do have some understanding of old school powerlifting. However a look at Westside and it's variants is a huge area in itself , let alone other schools.

Am very interested to see what you come up with Al.
If you would like me to look before you do a final draft?
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The Bulgarian approach was very complex, much of the training was either technique or neuro muscular. They also made use of recovery techniques ahead of their time.

Have to agree with a lot that you are saying, though this idea is well known it is underused. So are recovery techniques and the full periodisation protocol.

Don't know what typical powerlifting training might mean these days? There have been so many influences on it in the last couple of decades. I do have some understanding of old school powerlifting. However a look at Westside and it's variants is a huge area in itself , let alone other schools.

Am very interested to see what you come up with Al.
If you would like me to look before you do a final draft?
I would appreciate that :)

The Westside methods are great and I incorporate some of their methods in my regular training. NOTHING builds tendon/ligament/and bone strength better than very heavy partials :)

I'm thankful for having had access to training literature from the late 70's and earlier that focused on drug-free training and useful strength routines. Some of the current lesser-known PL publications offer good, sensible training advice too.

Throughout much of my late teens and 20's I trained alongside some amateur and pro BB'ers, and some competitive PLers as well. Much of what they did training-wise didn't make sense, but many of them made gains anyway due to their prodigious drug use. I'm not going to take away from the fact that some of them trained very hard and their results were indeed impressive- nonetheless, when their competitions or steroid cycles were over and they'd get off their steroid cycles, you could barely recognize some of them a few weeks later due to the dramatic downshifting in their hormone levels (even with preventative drugs many of them would almost always "crash").

One of the saddest things about all of that was that some of these guys worked almost solely to support their training and drug use in the hopes of making it big, and you can guess that most of them didn't win any of the competitions they entered. Those that did win or place rarely made enough to recoup their losses. The worst were the ones that didn't have enough money to pay for their post-cycle meds. In some cases I never saw those guys again :(

You could say that seeing all of that was definitely influential in my decision to focus on "steroid-free" training techniques. I'm not going to preach and tell you guys to stay away from drugs, but I'd like to offer this information for those of you that haven't found effective training methods (or would like to enhance their current regimens) or for those of you that wish to train without having to use anabolics to make gains.
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im currently doing a lite routine for a few months, gained size on free weights, it got to the [point i did not rec over from the lifting heavy weights. This may be due to the fact that my job is also very physical.

So im doing ewhat i call cardio/resistance workouts. Where you lift light but you take no long breaks between exercise stations. I keep my oulse rate constintly at 120 to 130 beats per minute for about 45 minutes.

You lift the weight briskly 30 seconds up 30 seconds down. You do three sets, you then get up and go to the next machine. This is a firming fat trimming type of routine that is resistance training done at a speed to elevate you heart rate into the aerobic level.

When you stat out as a novice you use machines. When you advance after a few months you go to dumbells. Further advancement would be to slow the rep down to a 8 count cadence with feather breathing, Tried this for a few months get pulse rate way to high. like doing HIIT while holding dumbells.

like i say im taking it easy for few months and only working out two days per week, combined weightlifting and cardio really jacks up your metabolism.

sample work out

bench 100 lbs x 10 x 3 sets
leg press 170 lbs x 10 x 3 sets
addctor 90 x 10 x 3
abductor 130 x 10 x 3
lat pull 120 x 10 x 3
quaddrocep thingy 100 x 10 x 3
hamstring thingy 50 x 10 x 3
lateral raise 60 x 10 x 3
pec deck 70 x 10 x 3
tri cep press 130 x 10 x 3
back extension 130 x 10 x 3
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