Old 04-27-2004, 05:48 PM   #36 (permalink)
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I've been jelqing for about 2 1/2 weeks now and havnt taken any formal measurments but i'm going to take a look at it. I can tell its getting thicker but i need an idea of what it is befor i can tell if im really growing. Is there any formal way of measuring so i can get an accurate dipiction of how much growth im really gaining?
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Old 04-27-2004, 08:06 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Mr. Pop,

I looked at the V Jelqs exercises with interest but as yet have not started them (apart from the odd one or two).

Is it worth doing V Jelqs if already using the PJ (as using the PJ already applies a similar pressure as the V Jelqs would)???
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Old 04-27-2004, 08:09 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Oh.....and...

I'v got a PJ, PM, THE RING, the vits & L-Arginine/L-Lysine and Johnson's Baby Oil Gel (for lub).......

anything else I need??????
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hi, I'm new to this site but I first saw it about a month ago and started hand j, 3 days a week in the shower with a warm up and cool down, but no v" or kelgeling Something like that. I'm going to start the routines Jonpop has fof newbys tonight. My first question is though how often can I have ninercourse, or masterbate? I know from other sites you should wait an hour after jelging, but I don't want to loose any gains from doing it. Please help.
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Mr. Pop,

I looked at the V Jelqs exercises with interest but as yet have not started them (apart from the odd one or two).

Is it worth doing V Jelqs if already using the PJ (as using the PJ already applies a similar pressure as the V Jelqs would)???
Yes, the "V" Jelq is an exercise unto itself. Do all of your exercises before useing the PowerJelq....Mr Pop
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Old 04-28-2004, 03:03 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Hi Guys,
Great board! I've been reading it A LOT for the last month and a half. I finally decided to register. I'm ordering the Power Jelq as I've heard mostly good things about it.

I'm very excited to start up. I haven't taken formal measurements yet, however I know I'm roughly 5.25" erect and about 3.5" flacid. My girth is very thin at only 3".

I've always wanted to increase my penis size. I'm 31 and I lack confidence even though I can satisfy a woman with what I have. I want to feel confident about myself and not be embarrassed to disrobe in the locker room. My current girlfriend loves me although she said that I have the smallest penis of any of the men she's been with.

I hope it's realistic to acheive an erect length of 6.5" and a girth of 5" when erect. Do these goals sound feasible? I know I'll be dilligent with this because once I set my mind on something I don't give up. I'm eagerly awaiting the PJ in the mail and want to get started.

Thanks for the incentive and encouragement that I read daily here!
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I'm a newby, and was wondering about ejaculation, before and after
jelging? I've hear to wait an hour after. Is this to soon, I don't want to loose any gains I may get.

One more question-I have got 2 replies form other members, but I don't seem to be able to find them anywhere. Could use your help.
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Old 04-28-2004, 06:49 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Hi Jonpop,

you asked about my LOT. When I pull at 9 and do a PC I feel a distinct tug, but I also feel that tug at 12. In what direction should I do the jelqing? at 10!?

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Hi Jonpop,

you asked about my LOT. When I pull at 9 and do a PC I feel a distinct tug, but I also feel that tug at 12. In what direction should I do the jelqing? at 10!?

Hi David. So you get no tug at 6:00? If so, you have low LOT. Do your exercises straight up and straight out. Stick with my beginners routine. This will be your proper way to exercise. JP

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I'm a newby, and was wondering about ejaculation, before and after
jelging? I've hear to wait an hour after. Is this to soon, I don't want to loose any gains I may get.

Welcome to the BeterMan Forum tazzer. We can't always control where or when we will have sex. Sometimes it is just a spur of the moment thing with your partner, so just go for it. As far as masturbation..I try and refrain untill my days off. After ejaculation, there are chemical changes in your body, loss of testostrone, vitamins, minerals, amino acids etc. If you use the supplements I recommend, the impact to your system won't be as great.

One more question-I have got 2 replies form other members, but I don't seem to be able to find them anywhere. Could use your help.
I assume you are refering to a notification on your E-Mail program that someone has replied to a post you have written, Just click on the URL that is attached and you will get your message. Hope all this helps. JonPop
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Hi Guys,
Great board! I've been reading it A LOT for the last month and a half. I finally decided to register. I'm ordering the Power Jelq as I've heard mostly good things about it.

Hey chango, Welcome here. Yes the PJ is what it's all about. You WILLsee gains from useing this device.

I'm very excited to start up. I haven't taken formal measurements yet, however I know I'm roughly 5.25" erect and about 3.5" flacid. My girth is very thin at only 3".

I started at 4 3/4" erect. I have had amazing gains in just over a year.

I've always wanted to increase my penis size. I'm 31 and I lack confidence even though I can satisfy a woman with what I have. I want to feel confident about myself and not be embarrassed to disrobe in the locker room. My current girlfriend loves me although she said that I have the smallest penis of any of the men she's been with.

Hmmmm. So in essence she's saying "Size does matter?"
How pissy to tell you that. Just tell her that she's not quite as tight as your last girlfriend. (No, don't say that) LOL.


I hope it's realistic to acheive an erect length of 6.5" and a girth of 5" when erect. Do these goals sound feasible? I know I'll be dilligent with this because once I set my mind on something I don't give up. I'm eagerly awaiting the PJ in the mail and want to get started.

These goals are more than feasible, they are realistic. As I always say. "Think of this as going to the gym to work-out 5 days a week, only this is a lot more fun and you don't have to drive anywhere." Start with my Beginners Routine for Newbies. Follow it exactly. Take the supplements I recommend. You will be happy with the results.

Thanks for the incentive and encouragement that I read daily here!
P.S. Chongo...Anything I can do to help a FIREFIGHTER, you guys are all hero's in my book. JonPop
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Old 04-28-2004, 04:13 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Jonpop,

I had never known about my lot until a few days ago, reading a bunch of the newbie info you put out. I am still having problems finding my lot.
I have a definate tug at 12:oo, and some what at 9:00, and also at 6:00.
I have treid finding my true lot at different times of the day, and then only at 6:00, and only at 9:00. I am just taking it that I have a low lot
but I not for sure. Can you help. By the way I've been doing your newbies for beginners at a low lot, only streight out and streight up, to the left and right, streight up and out. I also wanted to ask about my ballsack really getting in the way especially Jelqing up, What can I do to
keep my balls out of the way. To let you know in the past I have used a
streacher for hanging of my balls. And to let you know my beginning erect length 6.2, girth about 4.5. I would like to gain 2 inches in length
to be 8.25, and gain in girth to be 6.5. Are these reasonable? Because
I truely believe this can be accomplished.

Thanks for all your help, Tazzer
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Thanks for the warm welcome! I feel like I'm among friends here. Looks like we're all in the same boat. I can hardly wait to get cooking! I spent about a 1/2 hour last night reading the Progress threads. I never made it past the thread dominated by Marty. I read all 140 posts :) I couldn't believe the progress that he made! I tell ya, I know I have to make sure that first and foremost that I have FUN doing this and not to get discouraged and not to measure every single time, as they say "a watched pot never cooks".

I'll try to report in as much as I can to let you all know how it's going. Yeah, it was a pissy thing for my girlfriend to say, but ya know, I'm going to do this for ME and not her. If she enjoys the benefits, great, but more importantly, I want to do it for myself. Girlfriends will come and go, but your penis is forever and let's face it- like it or not, if you're not happy with your penis size, it doesn't help the confidence level much. I can't tell you how many times I've met beautiful women and probably had the chance to bed them and was reluctant because of my size. I'm 6% body fat and cut and work out all the time, take care of my body etc., and I feel like when I take my shorts off I'm "deceiving" them or something. I want to hear the "gasp" when I take my shorts off in the future.

This is totally a "support group" and I will contribute as much as I can and again, thanks for your support and encouragement!!!
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Yeah, it was a pissy thing for my girlfriend to say, but ya know, I'm going to do this for ME and not her. If she enjoys the benefits, great, but more importantly, I want to do it for myself. Girlfriends will come and go, but your penis is forever and let's face it- like it or not, if you're not happy with your penis size, it doesn't help the confidence level much.
Chongo,that's the attitude we like here! This way of thinking will take You long way in Penis Enlargement. You WILL do great!:)

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Excellent to see a lot of action in this thread! I'm glad our newbies are taking advantage of the vast experience that JP and our other mods have to offer. Keep up the good work!

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Hi again,
Can you guys put my mind at ease? I was reading the Progress Tracking threads and the one from Bulge scared me. He stated that he had erection problems after PEing. I'm totally in this, but wondering if that is normal or if that's just a "one off" type thing and it depends on the guy?

I've seen more positive than negative here and I'm just trying to go into it with eyes wide open and be cautious of what I'm about to embark upon.

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Chongo,

Most of the times injuries or "problems" come from overdoing it, or not doing it right. When you first start PE you get a little zealous or "gung ho." The focus of this online community is to help you reach your goals in a safe and healthy manner. Just take it easy, and gradually progress to more advanced exercises. Also, read through the posts to see what has helped other members, and what has not. Its a learning process.

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Mighty, thanks for your reply. I hope I won't become annoying with my questions and concerns. Just want to make sure that I'm on the right path and stick with the pack and do this stuff right so I safely achieve maximum gains!

Hopefully my PJ will show up soon! I'd rather wait and use the PJ than to get discouraged using hand Jelqs. :)

I'll chime in soon!
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Don't be afraid to ask questions. That is they way one learns how to properly do things the right way. Like they say their is no such thing as a stupid question. Expand your knowledge of a subject and ask, ask, ask away. Their are plenty of guys willing to throw out their two cents worth. It is up to you to do what is right, and comfortable to you.
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I had never known about my lot until a few days ago, reading a bunch of the newbie info you put out. I am still having problems finding my lot.
I have a definate tug at 12:oo, and some what at 9:00, and also at 6:00.
I have treid finding my true lot at different times of the day, and then only at 6:00, and only at 9:00. I am just taking it that I have a low lot
but I not for sure. Can you help.

tazzer. It is possible to have tug at all 3 positions , 12:00. 9:00 and 6:00 when you first start doing PE. The tug at 6:00 means you have tight ligs and need to stretch. The higher tug back means you need to work on the tunica. Stay with my program and you will exercise all the things you need to.

By the way I've been doing your newbies for beginners at a low lot, only streight out and streight up, to the left and right, streight up and out. I also wanted to ask about my ballsack really getting in the way especially Jelqing up, What can I do to
keep my balls out of the way.

Do your exercises slower, use lots of lube. These are stretching and engourging exercises, not masturbation. Hold your ball sack down with one hand while doing reps.

To let you know in the past I have used a
streacher for hanging of my balls. And to let you know my beginning erect length 6.2, girth about 4.5. I would like to gain 2 inches in length
to be 8.25, and gain in girth to be 6.5. Are these reasonable? Because
I truely believe this can be accomplished.

Yes this can be accomplished but how long it will take is different with each individual and how hard you are willing to work for your gains. JonPop

Thanks for all your help, Tazzer
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Hi Jonpop,

I made an exact measurement of my penis today to start out fresh, (the measures I stated when signing in was the last measurement I did 6 months ago). Since then I've been using my JES Extender in periods of 3-4days ~4h/day for 4-5 periods along with sporadic manual jelqing. Also I regularly use a 40mm (inner diameter) metal ring that keeps me rock hard 3-4h/day (I guess it's called ballooning).

So here it goes:
BPLE: 7,185"
GE: 6,102" (Mid-shaft)

No wonder my wife is grunting furiously nowadays.

I'll report my progress weekly from know on including my routine, because whatever it is I'm doing, it seems to work:)
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Old 04-29-2004, 02:53 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Dalstrom, this is for you...
I read in your post that you use the JES Extender. I am very interested in this device and would appreciate it if you could share your thoughts on it. Is it comfortable? How long can you wear it before it becomes uncomfortable? How has it contibuted to your gains?
Anything you can tell me will help me decide between the PenisMaster and the JES EXtender.
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Hi giveratryguy,

I started using the JES Extender last fall. My opinion on the product is the following:

* It is a high quality product, very robust and flexible design
* It's the original developed by the danish doctor who made himself famous for lengthening penises with this extender
* I can use it for as long as 5h without pause, but then it hurts too much. It's a burning sensation in the whole shaft that starts after ~3h (perhaps I use to much traction force). For maximum results they recommend 12h per day....
* I can wear it under loose pants because it is very flexible.
* Since I'm a low LOT I must direct traction between 9-12 which is easy with the JES.
* During my first two weeks of use, 5 days a week, 3-5h per day, I gained 7mm in length, almost 1/4"
* If you're able to wear it under your pants, then it's a great device for "passive" use, it does the work for you as long as you can do other things while wearing it.
* All-in-all, I'm impressed in the quality, but think the price is a little high.
* I do believe it works, but unless you can spend a lot of time using it, I'd recommend you stay away from extenders.
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Thanks for the info Dalstrom.
I've heard of some people getting great gains with the JES Extender after 2 to 3 years and it certainly looks to be a quality product.
I will definetly be buying an extender in the near future, either the JES Extender or the PenisMaster. I'll probably go with PM because it is far less expensive, comes recommended by members here and it has a similar design to the JES Extender.
The one thing about the JES Extender that makes me really want it is the fact that a man in Brazil using it for ~3 years gained over 6 inches!
Heck, 4 inches in 3 years would be fine with me.
Keep me and the other members updated on your success Dalstrom.
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Old 04-30-2004, 04:37 AM   #60 (permalink)
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I started JonPop's routine on the April 20th. I did not take measurements before I started. I knew I was around 6 inches erect or maybe a little less.
These are my measurements after a week and a half of JonPops rountines. I can already physically see results. Especially in flacid length and girth.

Age = 19
LOT = 6:00
Erect Length = 6.513"
EG (i measured around the middle, not the base) = 4.602"
Flacid Girth = 4"
Flacid Length (this seems to vary) = 4.563

Goal = The infamous 8x6 in 12 to 16 months
I'll measure again in about a month.
Big thanks to JonPop for posting this routine. :D

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giveratryguy, where did you get the info on that brazilian guy who gained 6 inches in 3 years?

That's great inspiration when you own a JES extender like I do, and if I read about such progress I will be more motivated to use it more than I do...
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