Kels

Ok....so I have been reading posts for about 3 weeks now. Each time I get more and more excited about what I read. I knew I couldn't afford the PJ device or the PM though. This was making me a very angry man as I wanted these items very badly. So it's two in the morning and I jump online to read the new posts...just listening to people talk about there gains got me pumped up. I keep saying to myself, "I'm ready to go, this is awesome, I'm really going to do this." Somehow I was going to have to come up with the money for these devices...so I swing on over to my credit card website, already knowing that I don't have enough money on it to buy either the PJ or PM right now, but what the hell, maybe it will piss me off even more and get me really motivated. To my astonishment, the credit card company had increased my limit!!! I couldn't believe it. I have wanted to buy these for two weeks now and out of the blue...an extra 500 dollars. It's a damn miracle. This has got to be a sign from God or my guardian angel that I'm suppose to go forth with these exercises. This is awesome, even amazing...sign me up.

JonPop

Kels. Welcome to the Better Man Forum.

Happy for your good luck. You ARE signed up. Have you started on an exercise program yet? Start a thread in Progress Tracking and post your starting stats so we can follow your progress. Start on my Beginners Routine For Newbies, this will get you going in the right direction. I would suggest ordering the Jelq Device first. Do the PE program I suggest while you are waiting for it to arrive. Happy growing. JonPop

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councilman

new here

started PE in jan for 30% left bend natural no pernonies(saw md)told one side was a little longer maybe to much internet porn

over the last 4 months less then 10% curve

program....
5 min heat
100 PJ 100 hand
heat
100 PJ 100 hand
heat 5 min

i use johnpop strenches in the tub at night(they are great)
also pump 2/3 per week(kaplan electric) 20 min 5 lbs
used penimaster at the start made curve worst(looking to sell)
note for people with curve jelging, bending and pumping truly helps

stats elbp 7.5 girth 5.5(toilet paper tube)
goals 8 nbp(1/2 fat pad) 6.0 girth end of the year

Kels

Councilman:
Does the Kaplan electric really work? I thought about buying one awhile back but couldn't justify spending that type of money. I have used regular pumps in the past but the results were always temp. Is the electric pump different? I also have a slight bend, about 20%, and was going to buy the penismaster. On their website it says that it will straighten a curved penis. What gives? Is this just not true?
Thanks, Kel

Question to all:
Has anyone else on this forum straightened a curve? If so how did you go about it? Any info would be greatly appreciated.


JonPop:
I will get those stats up here shortly. Thanks.

Kels

Howdy fellow Bettermen:

So I had my first PE session last night. I used JonPop's Newbie workout and it seemed to work pretty good. But it took me forever!!! I kept getting an erection and had to stop time and time again. I believe the routine would usually only take probably a half hour or so...I was at it for at least an hour. I found this to be very tedious and hopefully this will subside very soon. I didn't do the whole 150 reps because it was taking so damn long. Even so, after even one session I could feel a difference. I had a noticeable gain in erect length...which surprised me because my understanding was that you gained girth before anything. After just that one session...I gained .75 inches in length. It's gone now obviously...but it was amazing. Should I contribute this to first time excitement or is this something to be extremely optimistic about? As far as girth goes, my erection was very hard...actually harder than it has ever been, but I didn't have any change in size. I'm thinking I might gain length very quickly now. I can't wait till my power jelq gets here...then we will see what really happens. Thanks, Kels

What do you guys think about the jump in length gain?

Methodman

JonPops Rountine usually takes me around 48 mins, then I usually take a shower to warmdown. So it takes me exactly an hour most of the time.

JonPop

Methodman, sounds like you are following my routine exactily.
If you do it right, allowing the time for slow jelqing, it should take around 45 minutes. Keep up the good work. Look forward to reading about your progress. JonPop

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d1nh

hi.. My stats are.. length 5.9 and 4.5 girth. lot 6


Ive been jelqing for a little over 3 weeks now. My goal is to gain two inches. I feel that im ready for the intermediate phase. where can i get intructions for what to do. i havent ordered the pj yet but hopefully soon.
how long do u think it will take to reach my goal?

d1nh

I heard that its possible to get turkey neck, is it true. and if so, how would i be able to prevent it/

JonPop

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terrible

I starting the program last week. I do the exerises five days per week. At present, I am doing the following routine.

Warm-up: 10 to 15 minutes

Wet Jelq: 150 repetitions

V Jelq: 50 repetitions

Power Jelq: 250 repetitions

Warm-down: 10 minutes

In addition, I am wearing the ring of fire at all times. I am also doing androgel.

My stats are:

Erect- length 8" and girth 6" in the middle.

I am hoping for 9"+ in length and 7" in girth.

Do you think this routine is sufficient to achieve my goal?

d1nh

My daily routine.:

start off with quick 5 to 10 min warmups. wrap in hot towel and kegels
then i follow with 4 sets of 50 wetjelqs and 4 sets of 50 v jelqs
And i shower for warm down. I do this 7 times a week.

JonPop

d1nh. Start on my Beginners Routine. You are not doing the exercises correctly. AND, you do not want to exercise 7 days a week. You need time off to heal and grow. Go back and read, read my posts again.
Let me know when you have started on my routine. This is the way you need to go to prevent injury. JonPop.

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FLiNG

Hey everyone,

I'm new here. :D Just wanted to sign in and let everyone know how excited I am about this program, I just started JonPop's Beginner's Routine Yesterday and I'm feeling confident, can't wait to see some results, I'm not going to measure again until the 3 months of JonPops routine are done, hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised.

Stats: Erect - 5.25 Girth - 4.50 LOT: 6:00

JonPop, what kind of growth can I expect in 3 months of your beginner's routine?

~ FLiNG

Mighty Mouse

Welcome to Betterman FLiNG!

Stick with the program and you will surely see results. How much, no one can guarantee you. Some people gain fast, some take a while. But the gains will come, with patience, determination, a good routine, and a support system to help you out. Good luck and keep us updated.

Mighty

Playtimer

This is for all the newbies starting with JP's begginer's routine :

Let me tell You this : I'm in PE for over a year,and I did stretching before jelqing using many different techniques,but one week ago (mainly because of getting bored from same old things) I started using "circle stretches" and "helicopter shakes".

I was totally suprised. Those stretches gave me better pull than any before.
I must admit that I changed them a bit,I do 25 strong kegels with each pull,and then 25 strong circle stretches after for a total of 4 sets.
The results were suprisingly good. My ligs were more pronounced than ever,and I was more hung during the next day.

AFTER exercises,I took a measure,and found a slight increase in length,which means that I actually had a better pull.

JonPop,thanks for a great,simple,and effective exercise:D

Play

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FLiNG

I also have a question about kegels.

How "hard" should they be? I must have a weak PC Muscle because I can barely feel any squeeze when I do a kegel. It's more than enough to stop my urine but it doesn't feel like much. I also find in the beginner's routine, I get very tired after about the 3rd rep of helicopter shakes, stretches and 25 kegels. I can barely flex my PC at all. What does that mean? Should I still do the reps of shakes and stretches even though my PC is "tired"?

Thanks everyone,

~ FLiNG

pinnme

Hello,
New member here, hoping to follow in the footsteps of all the 'big' brothers here...
I am thinking about purchasing a tugger, but how effective is it?
Should I get one now or a little later?
I will be getting my power jelq soon and got my routine down.
But will wearing a tugger after routine help?
If in an extended state will the penis heal better after jelqing?

Playtimer

Do kegels as much hard as You can.Yes,after some time,Your PC muscle gets so tired it looks like You can't squeeze anymore. When You feel that,do 5 to 10 kegels more,to totally exaust it.
Do not worry about this. You have been using this muscle instinctivelly for main purposes whole life,and now You're building it stronger for the first time,just like any other muscle in Your body. You will get more strength by working it out.
Kegels exercises are carefully designed to gradually build up PC muscle. Follow them,and You will do good :)

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higgins

Hello,
I am 25 years old. When I was 11 a girl told me I was very small. Granted a sixth grader would not be big anyway, it stuck with me. My girlfriend, who I have been with for almost three years; her last boyfriend was apparently huge. She never had any complaints about me but I would still like to measure up so to speak.

I tried PE after finding free exercises on the web. I had two problems. First was the little red dots i got. This problem was already taken care of after reading this website. Second, I would get an erection while stretching which would make that take forever. Is there a way to avoid that?

I read JonPop's workout for newbies and I am going to try it out. I was just wondering if the contraptions are really worth it, or if i can do it on my own. It seems like this website is sponsered by the power-jelq company.
Thanks for any help you can give me.

tazzer

Hello again fellas,

I wanted to direct this question to JP, Play, M Mouse, or expirenced PJer. It has been 2 weeks now maybe three, that I've been useing the Power Jelq, I stated in progress what I thought of it after 2 uses. I may have been a bit to confident in the PJ back then. Since those tirst couple of days there has been a loss of progress, specifically; no gains in flacid girth or length, yet a bit of loss in both. I have been following JP's routine but added more warm up time w/ hot wraps nearly 20 minutes and the same for cool down, I've added more streaches and kegeles only by 5 each ( this came from a post by JP informing anouther member that was asking for added routine, and both of us started the program around the same time) and thats all I've changed.

Am I doing something wrong useing the Power Jelq? I can't squeeze any harder nor can I pull any harder. Hope somebody can give me some advise on this, I don't want to keep useing the PJ device if I keep losing length and girth...

Thanks for your help. Tazzer.

JonPop

tazzer, are you taking the recommended time off. Sounds like you are over-working. But, these things do happen. This is why so many Newbies quit. Don't try to fight through the down days, Read my Thread in this forum. "Just An Observation". Stay with my program, you will see gains. Your penis is just reacting to the exercises and getting used to what you are doing. Good luck. You will feel differently about this in a few weeks. JonPop.

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tazzer

JonPop, Glad to hear from you.

I read the thread "Observations", and as a matter of fact thats one thing I didn't mention, I have been useing a 2 day on, 1 day off, 2 day on, 2 day off routine. I really didn't think I was over doing PE because I seem to have good sessions, and I am only doing 200-250 PJ, no hand jelqs. except the v- jelqs. I just thought I would at least see girth gains and not losses. I also thought i may not be doing enough, apparently I am.

I am not giving up!! Yet, I will accept that I just need to keep working at PE, take my rest time, and allow time for results. Just a bt discouraged is all.

Thanks for your reply JP, Have an Unbelieveable week. Tazzer

Methodman

How erect are you while Jelqing?
I've herd a lot of people losing length an girth from erect jelqing.
The reason being they started doing it before their dicks were properly conditioned for it.

tazzer

In response to: "How erect are you?"

I am usually only at about 60%, but sometimes I think I am even less erect than that and maybe sometimes up to 70%.

I had a great session today, maybe I was just having to get use to the little bit of the added parts to my routine, as JP had stated.

I will watch however how erect I get. Thanks for the input MethodMan.

There is no better place than Better Man!!!

Tazzer...

Kamel407

well I'm not a newbie to PE, but its been a LONG time since I got into the swing of things. Thinking about coming back into it.

Stats

only stats important to me are BPEL and BPEG since when you bury the boy deep its pretty much bone pressed.

BPEL = between 6" and 7" depending on arousal
6" for masturbation and max 7" when FULLY aroused with a woman
this is no easy task because it takes a real good woman to get me fully aroused.

BPEG = between 5" and 5.25"
same explanation

LOT = 9:30

Devices = PJ and Bib (thinking about getting a PeniMaster)

Routine = nothing right now, just fooling around in the shower for 10 minutes or so

Goal = Penile Health and Personal Enjoyment

I'm comfortable with my size, and I've always received great compliments.
For the past couple of days I've been with a woman who is a tiny bit older than me, and probably the smallest woman I have ever been with.
I am 26 and she is 30
I am 6' 190 and she is 5'2 100

Yesterday we had a 3 hour session and today we had a 2 hour session.
She told me I am the best lover she's ever had and my cock size is a perect fit for her. She said I made her orgasm 7 or 8 times yesterday and 5 or 6 times today.

Its all about technique, for me no 2 nights are the same because I always try different things, and enjoy myself. I get more enjoyment out of pleasing a woman than I do having an orgasm. I really enjoy making a woman feel like she doesn't want to be anywhere else.

When I am intimate with a woman, I make her feel like I am making love to her, I take plenty of time to get her in the mood, lots of cuddling and snuggling, hands roaming softly and warmly.

I pay lots of attention to her errogenous zones, and I look for signals of her pleasure. This slowly moves into more and more, massaging her breasts, massaging her inner thighs, moving my hands all over her body.

Then I'll either go mouth to breast or hand to clitoris or both. Clitoral stimulation is one of my most favorite things. I love to see a response a woman gives me from clitoral stimulation. All women are different in the manner of how they like it, but all women are the same in where its enjoyable. Play with the clit, and massage the hell out of it until she's moaning for your cock.

Oral stimulation, this is something that might take you a little time. you have to pay equal time to the clit, the opening, and the G spot. If your tongue isn't long enough to reach her G spot don't worry you can mix your tongue with your finger(s) and thumb(s). See how a woman responds, suck it into your mouth and give it a tug, flick it occassionally. One of the things I remember most is if you're not getting a response from a woman, start tracing the alphabet on her clit with your tongue.

ok I am going way off on a wild tangent, I guess I was just taken up in the moment a little. Might just start a thread somewhere else this week.

Anyway, length and girth will come with time, I'm somewhat lazy when it comes to it, because I'm confident with myself, but sometimes I can stay dedicated. We'll have to see what happens.

Bonar

I am very happy to be apart of such a mature and almost scientific community that has been established here. Medical journals and practitioners would be wise to visit this site and recommend it as opposed to surgery. Anyways...

Current Stats
Length: 7 1/4" BPEL
Girth: 5 1/4" EG

Flacid stats I don't care about, so I won't post them.

My Goal:
Length: 7 1/4" BPEL
Girth: 6 1/4" EG

Loss Of Tug (LOT) is at: 8:00

If I grow a bit in length, then so be it, but my main concern is girth. I have read and been performing JonPop's Beginner Routine and will check measurements in about 1 more month. Already I have had some read stretch marks along my shaft and red spots on my head. My pecker is getting much more vascular over the last 2 weeks of PJ'ing. All of my exercises are either with hand jelqing or with the PJ.

So far the ULI Thing and The Clamps seem very interesting, but I will wait another 3 months before giving these a try in my effort to attain girth.

My Real Goal:
Wife's Reaction -------->

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Methodman

Wow, nice stats Bonar. You should have no problem reaching your goal.
Hey guys my fingers are really sore, I can hardly get a good grip anymore. Anyone else get this when they were first starting out?

Methodman

Also I have never gotten "Newbie spots". Maybe my hands aren't providing enough pressure?
Even though I'm squeezing as hard as I can.
I think I need the JelQ device... But I'm oh so broke right now.

JonPop

Hey MM. Newbie Spots are nothing to strive for. IF you're not getting them, this means you are doing your Warming UP and Warming DOWN, correctly. You do not need to squeeze as hard as you can. A nice firm grip at the base as you slide up the shaft. You want to move the blood bulge. Squeezing too hard is counter productive. Slide up the shaft untill the Bulge won't slide any further, hold this and grasp at base with other hand. Squeeze and start slide up the shaft. Release with the other hand and repeat procedure. Do these slow, about 3 seconds per Wet Jelq. JonPop

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Methodman

Ah I see, well this is good news for my hands. And I'll watch for the bulge and when it stops.
Thanks

Bonar

Thanks Method, I wish my wife had the same opinion, hehe.

To JonPop, I will lighten up on the squeezing, hehe, I thought red spots were a desired effect that was a form of progression, silly me.

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gbpackers

ive never gotten newbie spots either but after doing 150 wet jelqs my hands do kinda hurt and also as jonpop said i can actually feel the blood bulge move up my shaft and when i get up the shaft, the head of my penis feels like its full of blood and cant hold anymore.

Methodman

I slide until I reach the glands. I thought this was correct?
I have never felt the point where the bulge won't slide any further.

JonPop

Hey Method...When you slide up the shaft pushing the blood untill your Glans is so engourged that it almost hurts, is what I meant. If you don't feel this now, just keep exerciseing and in a very short while, you'll understand exactly what I'm talking about. JP

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