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Kamel407 · 06-03-2004, 05:57 PM

Newbie Question:

If the Penimaster in the down position is designed to stretch the tunica, and hanging downwards is designed to stretch the ligaments, what would you get if you were to hang with the penimaster? (other than an extremely sore penis)

The reason why I am asking is because other than manual stretches and power jelqing, I have never done hanging(BIB), EPS(Penimaster), or ADS. I am thinking about incorporating all of it into my routine in the future, but I'm just trying to figure out a way to combine it all for combined results in a shorter time.

Kamel407

JonPop · 06-03-2004, 06:02 PM

Hey Kamel, (is this with one hump or two?):D

Whats your LOT? JP

Kamel407 · 06-03-2004, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JonPop
Hey Kamel, (is this with one hump or two?):D

Whats your LOT? JP

My LOT is between 9 and 10 so I would say 9:30

and it's multiple humps, to multiple women

puddy · 06-05-2004, 10:35 AM

Hi JonPop and Co.

As of May 1st:

FL = 5 3/4
FG= 4 1/2

EL= 7 1/2
EG= 5 7/8

I want to increase girth to 6.5 (erect) and length to 8.5 (erect). I would like to see the flacid girth reach 5-5.5 and length to 7. I started jelqing in the shower on the first of May. I had read about a basic jelq on line. I just discovered the forum last week. Knew it was time to join.

1. If I strech in the shower (I use a wash clothe for gripping below the Glans)...can I use 5-7 minutes of hot shower water as my warm-up?

2. When I tested for LOT...this is what I came up with:
a) at 3, 6, and 9...I can hardly feel tug. Only a little movement from blood rushing into shaft. I'm pulling pretty hard, about 10lbs or so (don't know if that is what Im supposed to do?)
b) at 12 I can feel my cock retract about 1/4 inch.

What does this make my LOT?
Should I be doing most of my exercising between the 11, 12 and 1 o'clock positions?

Any help would be great.

Also...when should I start thinking about equipment? Is it neccesary?

How can I get the most GIRTH?

Thank you.

Puddy

JonPop · 06-05-2004, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by puddy
Hi JonPop and Co.

As of May 1st:

FL = 5 3/4
FG= 4 1/2

EL= 7 1/2
EG= 5 7/8

I want to increase girth to 6.5 (erect) and length to 8.5 (erect). I would like to see the flacid girth reach 5-5.5 and length to 7. I started jelqing in the shower on the first of May. I had read about a basic jelq on line. I just discovered the forum last week. Knew it was time to join.

puddy, welcome to the betterman forum.

1. If I strech in the shower (I use a wash clothe for gripping below the Glans)...can I use 5-7 minutes of hot shower water as my warm-up?

Yes, as long as when you finish exercising, you Warm Down

2. When I tested for LOT...this is what I came up with:
a) at 3, 6, and 9...I can hardly feel tug. Only a little movement from blood rushing into shaft. I'm pulling pretty hard, about 10lbs or so (don't know if that is what Im supposed to do?)
b) at 12 I can feel my cock retract about 1/4 inch.

What does this make my LOT?
Should I be doing most of my exercising between the 11, 12 and 1 o'clock positions?

You have low LOT. Do the exercises in my Newbie Routine.

Any help would be great.

Also...when should I start thinking about equipment? Is it neccesary?

How can I get the most GIRTH?

Order the JELQ Device.

Thank you.

Your Welcome. JonPop

Puddy

JonPop · 06-05-2004, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kamel407
Newbie Question:

If the Penimaster in the down position is designed to stretch the tunica, and hanging downwards is designed to stretch the ligaments, what would you get if you were to hang with the penimaster? (other than an extremely sore penis)

Kamel, The stretch is the same wearing the PeniMaster. You wouldn't accomplish anything stretching with the PM, except as you say a sore penis.

The reason why I am asking is because other than manual stretches and power jelqing, I have never done hanging(BIB), EPS(Penimaster), or ADS. I am thinking about incorporating all of it into my routine in the future, but I'm just trying to figure out a way to combine it all for combined results in a shorter time.

If you have low LOT, hanging will not give you the gains you are seeking. JP

Kamel407

Kamel407 · 06-05-2004, 04:31 PM

I think we need to reanalyze this situation.

LOT (Loss of Tug)

LOT is defined by your loss of tugback when you pull on your penis and try to kegel.

12:00 (penis straight up)

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9:00 (penis straight out)

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6:00 (penis straight down)

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I start by pulling my penis straight up, in the 12:00 position, and kegeling. Then I will proceed to move down to 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6

When I pull firmly on my penis and kegel at 12 I get a very strong pull back, about a 2 inch pull. I know that my tug is very strong at 12

When I pull firmly on my penis and kegel at 6 I don't see any pull, but I do see the base of my penis expand, and I can see my ligaments moving. I know that there is no tug at 6, and the lig movement does not count.

So I start back at 12 and slowly bring my penis down and watch my tug. until I do not see the penis pull back anymore.

Personally I cannot SEE any tug at 9:30. I can feel my ligaments moving and expanding my base, but I do not SEE any pullback. This is where Loss of Tug occurs.

Therefore my LOT is 9:30.

OK, so thats how you determine your LOT, but what does it really mean?

This is still a gray area to be honest, all of this philosophy is still theory first brought up by a BIB, a member at another site.

Bib felt that if you had a LOW LOT, you would see faster gains by doing tunica work.
Bib felt that if you had a HIGH LOT, you would see faster gains by doing ligament work.

I think there is more than just LOW LOT and HIGH LOT

I believe there is LOW LOT, MID LOT, and HIGH LOT

LOW LOT being between 6:00 and 8:00 where Tunica work helps with faster gains.
HIGH LOT being between 10:00 and 12:00 where Ligament work helps with faster gains.
MID LOT being between 8:00 and 10:00 where either Tunica work or Ligament work helps with faster gains.

What defines Tunica work and Ligament work?

I'm not qualified to answer this question, so I will be brief.

Tunica stretching is done by pulling the penis straight up for a prolonged period of time.
Ligament stretching is done by pulling the penis straight down for a prolonged period of time.

This is the BASIC analogy of how to stretch the Tunica and Ligaments

You can stretch with a device
You can hang with a device

but stretching does not mean tunica and hanging does not mean ligament
you can hang the tunica and you can hang the ligament
can you stretch the tunica and you can stretch the ligament
These are based upon the ANGLE in which you hang/stretch

Alright, so lets get back to my question.

The Penimaster is designed to stretch the penis from the base.
The design shows ME that it concentrates on Tunica stretching because of the RING at the BASE of your penis.
I personally feel because of this design, the PM is always stretching the Tunica.
If you decide to have the PM stretch in the downward direction, you are concentrating on the Tunica, BUT the angle is pulling out the ligaments.

Now, the tunica in this case is being stretched to its max, but the ligaments are being pulled only as much as the weight of the PM.

When hanging downward, weight promotes more stretching of the ligaments (BASE) because it is pulling the ligaments out more. When hanging upward, weight promotes more stretching of the tunica (SHAFT) because it is pulling the tunica out more.

the analogy of tunica to shaft and ligament to base might be off, but I think it makes it a little easier for people to understand.

SO, the PM is designed to concentrate on the shaft, and letting it hang down will help pull the ligaments out a little, but without weights.

I would think if you put weight on the PM, you would be stretching the Tunica to its max AND stretching the Ligaments to their max at the same time.

This is all theory at this point because my PM is on order, but its just something I wanted to throw out to the community to think about.

Since my LOT is 9:30 I would consider my LOT to be MID to HIGH
Because of this I can concentrate equally on Tunica and Ligament stretching. I'm just hoping doing BOTH at the same time is safe and beneficial. (CROSSING FINGERS)

oh and no flames please, I'm coming back from a long time off

JonPop · 06-05-2004, 06:10 PM

Kamel. Thank you for an interesting, informative and thought provoking post.

We DO NOT flame here. So, again, welcome back. JonPop

channel7 · 06-10-2004, 06:55 AM

I have been involved in PE for 29 months. However, I am new to the PJ. I would like to be a part of your NEWBIE Section.

My stats are; None Bone Pressed 8.5, Girth 6.25 at present

My goal is 9.25 None Bone Pressed in length and 7.25 in Girth.

Thanks

Methodman · 06-10-2004, 07:44 AM

Holy shit man you're huge!
What were your starting stats?
You're a freaking horse.

channel7 · 06-10-2004, 09:26 AM

Thanks,

I use to be 6.0 inches nbp in length, and 4.5 inches in girth. Those were my starting figures.

puddy · 06-15-2004, 03:22 AM

Hi guys...
I'm having a hard time with the V-jelq and still not grasping (no pun intended) the LOT concept. JonPop...is there anyplace I can find pictures, videos or illustrations showing the proper technique and form? Perhaps you can download some pictures? Or drawings?

Thank you for all your help.

Puddy

Mini-me · 06-15-2004, 01:56 PM

I've been doing JonPop's beginners routine now for two weeks; thought I had better measure up and post stats here before things start growing too much. Well, here goes:

BPEL: 17cms / 6.69"
Non-BPEL: 14.5cms / 5.71"
EG: 12cms / 4.72"
LOT: Low, below 9

Now, when I saw that number 17 on the tape I've got to say I was pretty impressed. But I guess I'm a bit of a porker because I've got an inch of fat there which makes me look smaller.

The way I see it, I'm just under 6". If I can get it to over 7" without pressing bone I think I'd be delighted.

Cheers everyone!

Playtimer · 06-15-2004, 04:47 PM

Actulally,those are pretty good starting stats. Stick to this forum,and new informations/techinques coming,and You will add some inches for sure.
Good luck,:)

Play

floridayguy · 06-16-2004, 02:50 AM

This is my first post so here are my stats:

FL - 3.5"
FG - 4.0"

EL - 5.25"
EG - 5.25"

I would like to see my gains of 2" in length and a minimum of 1" in girth.

After reading your routine for newbies, I now have some good excercises to incorporate into my routine. I've been doing manuals for about 2 weeks now, and am already noticing an increase in the sensitivity along my shaft as well as more of a veiny appearance. My warm up and warm downs consist of a hand help shower spray that I cup my hands over. It creates a pool of hot water around the entire penis without cooling off like a rag. I do this for about 8 minuntes and it seems to work pretty well.

The informatin regarding LOT's is very interesting. I believe my LOT to be (based on all the examples in the posts) around 8:30 or 9:00. There is a tremendous amount of tug until 10:00 and then it drops off. There is a fair amount of movement around the base after 9:30 but nothing like the higher positions, and there is no further change from that point down. So, I am going with the 8:30/9:00 position. Please let me know if this sounds about right.

One problem I am having is with pubic hair. Althought I keep it trimmed, I have folicles that go up the back of my shaft. It makes if very uncomfortable to say the very least. I'm almost ready to pull them out, but can't get the courage up. If anyone has a better idea I am certainly open to them.

Thanks again for this awesome site. It has given me hope that I don't have to just live with what nature gave me.

notorious BIG · 06-22-2004, 08:30 AM

hey guys,
i'm new to the site but not really new to penis enlargmen. Unfortunatly, before finding all these free sites, about a year and a half ago i bought all these instruction to penis enlargment for like $50. what a waste since i could of got it all for free here. Anyways, this place seems to be amazing, real open and comfortable.

Anyways, i just got the jelq device and had a couple of questions:
1. The begginer's routine does not use the jelq device? it is hands only? correct?
2. When do i incorporate the jelq device? I have done hand jelqing on and off for the past year. They wear such a pain in the ass cause I would have to hand jelq for like an hour. What's the point of the jelq if i still need to use my hands?

thanks alot. I have read a lot of posts and can see how friendly everyone is. Johnpop especially, seems like a great guy. Nice to be in a community like this.

later

edit**
is there a difference b/w normal jelqing and v-jelqing? thanks.
nb

JonPop · 06-22-2004, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by notorious BIG
hey guys,
i'm new to the site but not really new to penis enlargmen. Unfortunatly, before finding all these free sites, about a year and a half ago i bought all these instruction to penis enlargment for like $50. what a waste since i could of got it all for free here. Anyways, this place seems to be amazing, real open and comfortable.

Hey N-Big. Welcome to the BetterMan Yes, we do try to make people comfortable here. A large percentage of the members are Newbies to PE.

Anyways, i just got the jelq device and had a couple of questions:
1. The begginer's routine does not use the jelq device? it is hands only? correct?

Yes. The exercise are designed to teach those new to PE the basic exercises to condition and strengthen the Penis.

2. When do i incorporate the jelq device? I have done hand jelqing on and off for the past year. They wear such a pain in the ass cause I would have to hand jelq for like an hour. What's the point of the jelq if i still need to use my hands?

Please post your stats and routine in the Progress section. I would suggest that you start on my routine. This doesn't take a lot of time and then at the conclusion of each session, incorporate the JELQ with about 100 slow reps. Increasing each week (as you become comfortable with the device) to however many reps you want. But, listen to your body.

thanks alot. I have read a lot of posts and can see how friendly everyone is. Johnpop especially, seems like a great guy. Nice to be in a community like this.

Thank you for the nice words, JonPop

later

edit**
is there a difference b/w normal jelqing and v-jelqing? thanks.
nb

Yes. Normal Wet Jelqs are done straight out, "V" Jelqs are done straight up

notorious BIG · 06-23-2004, 01:23 AM

thanks for the quick reply. im starting your routine today.
is there a website where i can buy those vitamis you recommended? thanks. I'll take my measurment and post them in the forum today. thanks.

Incubus · 06-23-2004, 12:55 PM

notorious BIG,

Yes there are many web sites. Just do a google search and you can find a million of them. I use this one. JUst look around on the web and you will find a bunch of them. Happy hunting.

Mighty Mouse · 06-24-2004, 04:42 AM

Good stuff Incubus!

You've made some great contributions since you've been here at Betterman. Excellent to have you aboard, a great resource for us all. Keep up the good work!

Mighty

Incubus · 06-24-2004, 12:59 PM

MM,

Thanks I am always happy to contribute where I can.

notorious BIG · 06-25-2004, 10:57 AM

these v-jelqa are confusing me, they don't seem to be effective. I put my penis in b/w my middle and fourth finger and palm facing me i jelq upwards. Is that correct? I just got in the jelqer thing im going to start adding a 100 focused jelqa.

One question i had was whether i should buy one of those penismasters or whatever they are called. Do they work? what are some of the benifits, cons etc. Please let me know.

nb

thanks a lot for everything.

Playtimer · 06-25-2004, 03:04 PM

Penimaster is a stretching device,pretty good too.

JELQ device is a jelqing device,it's way cheaper,and by my opinion,the essential tool for PE. That would be my first choice:)

Play

notorious BIG · 06-25-2004, 08:27 PM

ya i got the power jelq device i was wandering if it is worth spending money on a penismaster or something better? and the v-jelqs, any advice on that would be great.

Mini-me · 06-26-2004, 04:48 AM

I find that the V Jelqs apply more pressure than regular jelqs.

And the pressure is applied more to the sides of the shaft thereby affecting growth to the sides ie girth focus.

I'm still in the very early stages (week 3) of Jon's beginner's routine and so can't comment on the affectiveness of different ways of jelqing. All I can say is what I feel happening to me, what I wrote above. Cheers!

Donovan · 06-26-2004, 06:40 AM

Well I'm new here. I am an avid weight lifter. I'm 16. Short and Stocky, not fat .. or to fat lol. Anywho, I really find it's not so much lack of confidence anymore. It's just the fact that I want to be able to do whatother guys do. I have confidence, but when it coems to being naked it dwindles... lol

Girth: 6"
Length: 5.5"

Weird how my girth is bigger than my actual length. I just want more length now... I know theres no need to be embarresed or anyhting. Becuase this is what this place is for. So I'm gonna try some manual "hands on" Jelqing.. How long should a session last? 10 minutes maybe?, and do this maybe 5-6 days a week? Thanks again.